Raid question - helping other guilds.

[Cecily]

I enjoy raiding for the sake of raiding. It's unfortunate that the tone of this thread so far is implying that me personally assisting class R guilds with no ulterior motive is at best going to be frowned upon and at worst will penalize my guild.

Dun care. If any class R guild could use a 60 rogue during weeks that TMO is up to nothing, look me up.

[Cecily]

That means any of you, including BDA. You make me mad, Chest, but your guild is still good people.

[Morgander]

Originally Posted by Swish [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So nobody really knows. I'd say there's an element of red creeping in here... people trying to get guilds raid banned for being helpful.

Be smart, if you're helping another guild out for 30 minutes, deguild and join them for the encounter. What's stopping you?

That way the young lawyers wont have much for screenshot evidence...and its the spirit of 1999 to help out.

But I don't want to try to "bend" the system. What if entire guilds tried to do that with entire raid forces for specific purposes?

If no GM's plan on calling out the rule then as far as I'm concerned, there is no rule. I don't want to play that game, so let's make a rule.

From this day forward, barring that the guilds here in at least majority can accept this, then I offer the following proposition:

Any guild can assist any other guild with any mob, without repercussion or lockout (GM's will have to change the code a little bit), so long as the assisting guild is not assisting with more than two members.

Does that sound fair? This way, individuals who happen to be tagged can still help their friends regardless of where they're tagged, but entire guilds aren't directly helping one another without sharing lockouts and without abusing or manipulating the rules.

If there are no objections and if the GM's here can validate this ruling, then I would love to see it go official.

Thanks.

[Cecily]

Originally Posted by Morgander [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If no GM's plan on calling out the rule then as far as I'm concerned, there is no rule. I don't want to play that game, so let's make a rule.

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[Morgander]

Originally Posted by Cecily [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

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You don't want to be able to help, Cecily? I'm confused.

I'm not talking about a rule that says only two people can help on things like epic fights or planer raids. I'm talking about big raid mobs. As I understand it right now, it's too shady to help other guilds with those kinds of mobs atm as far as I'm aware.

[Ella`Ella]

I don't see where this becomes an issue. If two Class-C guilds raid together, they are subject to a bag limit rule together. If Class-C raids with Class-R(otation), how is anyone else affected, as Class-R has a rotation in place?

I imagine that a Class-R guild, like Doljorn was could raid with a Class-C guild, but the members of Class-C couldn't be eligible for any loot. That was the case when Imba was main-tanking for Doljorn (to whatever extent that lasted).

[Valere]

Originally Posted by Ella`Ella [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I don't see where this becomes an issue. If two Class-C guilds raid together, they are subject to a bag limit rule together. If Class-C raids with Class-R(otation), how is anyone else affected, as Class-R has a rotation in place?

I imagine that a Class-R guild, like Doljorn was could raid with a Class-C guild, but the members of Class-C couldn't be eligible for any loot. That was the case when Imba was main-tanking for Doljorn (to whatever extent that lasted).

It would be nice to help blooming Class R guilds out with mobs they are having trouble with, but as a Class C member it's just too risky that some nerd will try to fraps/petition you to get you or your guild penalized because he's mad/sad/bad.

[Danth]

You know perfectly well what the issue is Ella. Some folks don't like seeing other guilds get help because they want those other guilds to fail so their own guild can swoop in and collect more loot.

The class system strikes me as incredibly poorly designed. Class R in particular seems doomed to eventually fail as population increases. Too many folks are trying for a piece of too small a pie. Those guilds are already eyeballing ways to preserve what small rate of kills they have and try to rule-lawyer each other out of raid kills.

Danth

[Morgander]

Originally Posted by Ella`Ella [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I don't see where this becomes an issue. If two Class-C guilds raid together, they are subject to a bag limit rule together. If Class-C raids with Class-R(otation), how is anyone else affected, as Class-R has a rotation in place?

I imagine that a Class-R guild, like Doljorn was could raid with a Class-C guild, but the members of Class-C couldn't be eligible for any loot. That was the case when Imba was main-tanking for Doljorn (to whatever extent that lasted).

I feel the same way, which is why I'm just making sure there are no like, loop-holes here that could be used in a negative way against people in class R who want to do some raiding with class C people.

[sulpher01]

Originally Posted by Swish [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Be smart, if you're helping another guild out for 30 minutes, deguild and join them for the encounter. What's stopping you?

Think this sums the whole thing up.. if your unsure, deguild and reguild later.