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Old 04-14-2014, 11:06 AM
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Another interesting thing about Lenski's study is that the evolutionary path was the same taken over different samples that had no contact. If I remember correctly. Showing - there is a tendency for evolution to follow a specific path given the same environmental variables. It is not really random chance. Initially biologists thought that mutations were completely random. Lenski's experiments did not reinforce this theory.

This further reinforces the theory that if there were two identical earths. Species would all have morphologically similar traits on both earths. At the same rate of evolution. Further reinforcing that if there were other earth like planets. The likely hood of intelligent hominid life that has similar senses and communication methods is increased.
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Old 04-14-2014, 11:25 AM
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Old 04-14-2014, 11:32 AM
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Radditsu, the article in your link demonstrates an important idea we began to notice a few decades ago.

Marked changes within a population can occur in just a few generations.

The rate at which evolution can occur is tied directly to the length of the organisms reproductive cycle.

This means microevolution is absolutely something an individual can observe within his or her lifetime, especially within bacteria.

Evolution still does not occur at the snap of a finger.

Evolution does occur much faster than classical biologists assumed.

They just thought you couldn't see the steps.
Yea, but is that evolution that occurs in modern times, being assisted by the hand of man? The Lizards which supposedly evolved on this very planet, say that Evolution actually happens over a much longer time than we think. Apparently they evolved from a species of a bipedal dinosaur, combined with the radiation from an ET war that took place above our skies, and that it wasn't any meteor. They also say it took millions of years for them to evolve to their current state.

If you want to explore this matter further, look up the "Lacerta Interview."
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Old 04-14-2014, 12:00 PM
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The jury is no longer out in regards to Evolution. It has been observed. It has been proven.
That gets said a lot when this subject comes up. But its not actually true.
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Yea, but is that evolution that occurs in modern times, being assisted by the hand of man? The Lizards which supposedly evolved on this very planet, say that Evolution actually happens over a much longer time than we think. Apparently they evolved from a species of a bipedal dinosaur, combined with the radiation from an ET war that took place above our skies, and that it wasn't any meteor. They also say it took millions of years for them to evolve to their current state.

If you want to explore this matter further, look up the "Lacerta Interview."


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Old 04-14-2014, 12:14 PM
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That gets said a lot when this subject comes up. But its not actually true.
It's fairly solid theory. Just without directly observed evidence on the macro scale really. There are other factors outside of natural selection though. Many questions to answer still. The exact process hasn't been pinpointed and modeled.

Most people who argue against it. Say there are no links between homosapien and previous primate lines. And argue whether humans come from evolution.

It is still possible to have evolution and also have GMO people or some other underlying creative force drive evolution.

Though I think we can rule out a singular "creator god".

It's also short sited to say that evolution is only natural or that it's not possible evolution of species on the planet couldn't have been influenced by different factors.

Climate change, meteors, radiation, biological pathogens, possible fallen civilization, genetic manipulation etc etc... yet some have a lot more direct evidence, some are completely speculative.

Climate change being a huge motivator and fairly known process so very likely, where as genetic manipulation, highly speculative and only able to be conjectured from studying lots of ancient history and coming to different theories than whats currently accepted as mainstream. Not really provable.

Christian creationism is fairly bullshit though from any scientific standpoint.
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Old 04-14-2014, 12:42 PM
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It's fairly solid theory. Just without directly observed evidence on the macro scale really. There are other factors outside of natural selection though. Many questions to answer still. The exact process hasn't been pinpointed and modeled.

Most people who argue against it. Say there are no links between homosapien and previous primate lines. And argue whether humans come from evolution.

It is still possible to have evolution and also have GMO people or some other underlying creative force drive evolution.

Though I think we can rule out a singular "creator god".

It's also short sited to say that evolution is only natural or that it's not possible evolution of species on the planet couldn't have been influenced by different factors.

Climate change, meteors, radiation, biological pathogens, possible fallen civilization, genetic manipulation etc etc... yet some have a lot more direct evidence, some are completely speculative.

Climate change being a huge motivator and fairly known process so very likely, where as genetic manipulation, highly speculative and only able to be conjectured from studying lots of ancient history and coming to different theories than whats currently accepted as mainstream. Not really provable.

Christian creationism is fairly bullshit though from any scientific standpoint.
So all you actually said was that you don't know what you don't know. But you will believe the theory that speaks to you the most.
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Old 04-14-2014, 12:44 PM
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So all you actually said was that you don't know what you don't know. But you will believe the theory that speaks to you the most.
Well sort of yes.

I will use the theory that speaks to me the most when in need of pragmatism and keep in mind the other theories. Or continually consider a combination of theoretical ideas. That is forever mutable [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

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Well sort of yes.

I will use the theory that speaks to me the most when in need of pragmatism and keep in mind the other theories. Or continually consider a combination of theoretical ideas. That is forever mutable [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I mean to further your thread of thought in this: To bad the NATIVE peoples aren't legally entitled here.

It looks like this situation is going to boil down to might makes right. Rationality has long been thrown out the window over this and it is more political than logical.
It'll all come out in the wash, as they say.
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Old 04-14-2014, 12:52 PM
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So let's not pretend like I didn't try to be reasonable for 26 pages, but my patience for trolling has limits too.

Anyways, adios, you won't be missed!
Lol I pointed out some simple contradictions that I was looking for your comment on, and your only response was that you were being reasonable by putting me on ignore for "trolling."

You're not looking for discussion, you're looking for a conspiritard circle jerk.
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