Why is Rog hide same as invis/ivu?

[casdegere]

Originally Posted by Teako [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Played rogue through classic.. Not going to dig up citing, but I remember sneak/hiding down through LGuk to get my guise.. The gargoyles DEFINITELY saw hide, but no frog at all did; live or dead. Not even Frenzy/King/Ass/Sup/Magi - Although I do think the Magi's pet could see through it, peculiar enough.

I do also remember sneak/hide crawling to King camp in Seb a few times.. Never once was in danger of threat unless I somehow got completely fumbled and lost, and walked into Protector.. Juggs didn't see hide, but Prot definitely did.. and I remember doing that CR a few times.. ugh. painful memories.

Seem to recall borderline everything not seeing it, and very select named mobs catching you through it.. Signature-esque named mobs, pets, and Evil Eyes were about all that would catch you.

Here.. Shit, you're better off just not sneak/hiding.

(P.S. - I quit a month into Luclin.. Most of my gaming was server-relative time frame)

Having a Rogue since April 1999 and being a broken class at the time, I still remembered going down into Lower Guk to get a Guise myself. I also did CRs in Chardok, HS and Hate after Kunark Release.

[4WOFURY]

Any GM/Dev thoughts on this?

[Byrjun]

The way I understand it from evidence others have found, hide was nerfed a bit when the SoS AA was introduced to give people a reason to get that AA, people saw others complaining that mob x and mob y then saw through hide, that got extrapolated to mean that hide was the same as invis in classic, and now we have useless hide.

So now, a rogue with sneak/hide is inferior to every other class in the game who has a Ring of Shadows on them. Masters of stealth indeed.

Also barely noticed sneak allowing me to move any faster from 51-60, pretty sure that's not very accurate either.

[khanable]

Dig up more evidence and post in the bug section

[SamwiseRed]

i didnt play main rogue on live but i remember making a level 1 rogue to do CRs in the hole.

[Vega]

Originally Posted by 4WOFURY [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Any GM/Dev thoughts on this?

It seems like there was a thread (or multiple threads) about this in the bug section already, with people posting similar evidence. I can't find the big one at the moment, but I don't remember there being much resolution to it.

[SamwiseRed]

Rogean mained a rogue on live ask him.

[Adolphus]

It's never been done correctly on this server. I'm actually weary to complain more about it though, as sneak is actually in a decent state right now. Considering how bad it's been for years I'm not going to take what we've got now for granted.

Just look what happens when they experiment trying to fix things - we've got mobs warping and jumping all over the place in multi-level'd dungeons from last patch.

It's been my experience over the years to be careful what I wish for regarding changes, as the live server is the beta for all changes. They don't really test things before trying them out.

(I should add that this is a volunteer endeavor, so I'm not blaming developers or upset, just stating the reality of the situation)

[HippoNipple]

Lets get this working properly. PvPing in dungeons is a big reason I made a rogue and it is a disappointment right now. Regretting not making a Monk to just run through zone and fd to get where I need to be.

[thieros]

Originally Posted by Ravager [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You don't make a lot of plat only leveling alts.

RUN TELL DAT