Scammed by Zebaki in Tunnel

[Numbers_]

Originally Posted by -Globox- [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Does it really matter where you dropped it? You chose to drop it and, unless you've enabled fast drop, received a prompt asking if you really want to do that. Once it hits the ground, the race is on. No, it isn't noble or admiral to nick someone's items off the ground and run off with it, but whosoever picks it up certainly has every right to. Without GM interference, you'd never know who it was. Thankfully, for you, one was kind enough to help. :/

How is picking something off the ground, that you know they dropped for transfer, in a obviously out of way area, not stealing? Is it against the rules? Not technically, but it's still stealing from a moral perspective. How morally bankrupt do you have to be to reason like this?

[-Globox-]

Originally Posted by Numbers_ [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

How is picking something off the ground, that you know they dropped for transfer, in a obviously out of way area, not stealing? Is it against the rules? Not technically, but it's still stealing from a moral perspective. How morally bankrupt do you have to be to reason like this?

I guess bankrupt enough to wish you luck in getting your gear back twice. How good of you to edit that out of the quote.

FYI, this isn't about morals. It's about rules and risks. Once you drop the item, it's free for anyone to pick up, which you knew.

I don't know how it is on this server, but I lost bags on Live selling gear in EC because when the trade cancelled, minor items filled the inventory slots and my bag hit the ground. This was before the fix where the overflow items defaulted to your cursor. The person I was trading with snatched it and reluctantly handed it back after some tells and OOCing. That was a system flaw and would be more along the lines of stealing.

Good luck, man.

[Numbers_]

Originally Posted by -Globox- [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I guess bankrupt enough to wish you luck in getting your gear back twice. How good of you to edit that out of the quote.

FYI, this isn't about morals. It's about rules and risks. Once you drop the item, it's free for anyone to pick up, which you knew.

I don't know how it is on this server, but I lost bags on Live selling gear in EC because when the trade cancelled, minor items filled the inventory slots and my bag hit the ground. This was before the fix where the overflow items defaulted to your cursor. The person I was trading with snatched it and reluctantly handed it back after some tells and OOCing. That was a system flaw and would be more along the lines of stealing.

Good luck, man.

Thanks for the well wishes, I probably shouldn't have edited that out, my mistake. Anyhow, lets reason this out. First we'll define stealing since this has turned into a semantics argument:

"To take (the property of another) without right or permission."

What is the difference between handing someone my gear, with the expectation of getting it back and dropping it on the ground (in a obscure, secluded area, mind you) with the expectation of getting it back? Shouldn't it be my property still in both cases from a common sense perspective? Is my intention not the same in both instances?

[-Globox-]

Originally Posted by Numbers_ [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Thanks for the well wishes, I probably shouldn't have edited that out, my mistake. Anyhow, lets reason this out.

No worries. I'm willing to hug it out. <3

As stated, once you drop it, the item is discarded willfully from your inventory. If this were about morality and ethics, I would agree wholeheartedly.

[Numbers_]

Originally Posted by -Globox- [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No worries. I'm willing to hug it out. <3

As stated, once you drop it, the item is discarded willfully from your inventory. If this were about morality and ethics, I would agree wholeheartedly.

Cool, ok then we do agree. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] Yeah, no doubt. Strictly from a rules perspective there is nothing they can do about it, which was why I was saying I would have been better off handing it to a random level 1 character. I'm just calling him a thief from a moral standpoint. I don't think ninjalooting is technically illegal either, but we all know how much they suck. Hopefully he does the right thing though and just gives it back. I would rather just move on. I don't like drama. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Halius]

Originally Posted by Numbers_ [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Thanks for the well wishes, I probably shouldn't have edited that out, my mistake. Anyhow, lets reason this out. First we'll define stealing since this has turned into a semantics argument:

"To take (the property of another) without right or permission."

What is the difference between handing someone my gear, with the expectation of getting it back and dropping it on the ground (in a obscure, secluded area, mind you) with the expectation of getting it back? Shouldn't it be my property still in both cases from a common sense perspective? Is my intention not the same in both instances?

I agree with you in the fact that taking your stuff was wrong, assuming this person was following you with the intent of taking items after you dropped them. However, technically, he didn't "steal" the items because you willingly left them out in an open area. If you compare that to RL, that is like if you went to the park, dropped $100 on the ground with the intent of coming back in say 5 minutes to pick it up. If someone should happen upon that $100 dollars and take it, do you blame them or yourself for leaving $100 on the ground?

Stealing is when someone takes something from you that you have personal possession of. Such as taking something from your house. Your house is your personal property and thus everything in it is your property so they would be "Stealing." It was more like you, metaphorically speaking, took the stuff out of your house, set the stuff out in the grass at a public park, and then got mad when the stuff was later gone.

Anyways all that said, I don't agree with what he did especially if he was following you with the intent of getting free items. However, it was your choice to drop stuff. Sorry you lost that stuff man and I hope you get it back. I do drops transfers all the time (here and back on Live) and have never lost an item, just gotta find the lowest foot traffic areas possible and make a check around you for other players before dropping.

[Numbers_]

Originally Posted by Halius [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I agree with you in the fact that taking your stuff was wrong, assuming this person was following you with the intent of taking items after you dropped them. However, technically, he didn't "steal" the items because you willingly left them out in an open area. If you compare that to RL, that is like if you went to the park, dropped $100 on the ground with the intent of coming back in say 5 minutes to pick it up. If someone should happen upon that $100 dollars and take it, do you blame them or yourself for leaving $100 on the ground?

Stealing is when someone takes something from you that you have personal possession of. Such as taking something from your house. Your house is your personal property and thus everything in it is your property so they would be "Stealing." It was more like you, metaphorically speaking, took the stuff out of your house, set the stuff out in the grass at a public park, and then got mad when the stuff was later gone.

Anyways all that said, I don't agree with what he did especially if he was following you with the intent of getting free items. However, it was your choice to drop stuff. Sorry you lost that stuff man and I hope you get it back. I do drops transfers all the time (here and back on Live) and have never lost an item, just gotta find the lowest foot traffic areas possible and make a check around you for other players before dropping.

Thanks [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] I think the difference here is that he saw me drop it. He had to have been right on my heels, which does make it stealing from a moral perspective. I agree that if you found money on the ground that would not be stealing. However, if you saw someone drop it it sure would be (from a moral standpoint, not sure what the law says, but lying isn't against the law either). There isn't really any real life equivalent to having to transfer items to yourself by dropping them on the ground, so the alternate version of yourself can pick it up [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Anyway, I learned my lesson. Next time I'll use someone like Bongs or a Divinity member (which was graciously offered to me in this thread) to transfer my stuff.

[Halius]

Originally Posted by Numbers_ [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Thanks [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] I think the difference here is that he saw me drop it. He had to have been right on my heels, which does make it stealing from a moral perspective. I agree that if you found money on the ground that would not be stealing. However, if you saw someone drop it it sure would be (from a moral standpoint, not sure what the law says, but lying isn't against the law either). There isn't really any real life equivalent to having to transfer items to yourself by dropping them on the ground, so the alternate version of yourself can pick it up [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Anyway, I learned my lesson. Next time I'll use someone like Bongs or a Divinity member (which was graciously offered to me in this thread) to transfer my stuff.

Yeah I get it, that's why I don't agree with what he did either. If I was a higher level I'd help ya out with some pp, but unfortunately I level at an incredibly casual pace nowadays. Good lucks with your items [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Numbers_]

Originally Posted by Halius [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yeah I get it, that's why I don't agree with what he did either. If I was a higher level I'd help ya out with some pp, but unfortunately I level at an incredibly casual pace nowadays. Good lucks with your items [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Thanks, if I see you around i'll toss ya a clarity [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]