Pick Pocket Policy: Mobs you don't own.

[Dominick]

The only way a rogue can farm money effectively is with pick pocket.

Its just a fact, Rogues can't tank, we can't quad, we can fear kite sometimes with intimidate and a dagger that procs darkness. When we solo its really hard to even use backstab.

So how does a rogue farm plat? Go to a rich mod area, preferable where others are farming gold. I would equip my gate hammer, and pick pockets while stealthed. If I blew it, I would run, and more often than not, some farmer would take the mob. If I am really in trouble I would turn and use my gate hammer until it procs, then buy drinks with the Dragoons in Overthere.

You don't want engaged mobs because usually they turn on you if rooted or snared. The other issue is that most decent farmers can bring the mobs down pretty fast.

It worked best when the Chinese gold farmers were in full swing in the mornings.

TLDR:
The point of this all? How much did I usually make? Not a lot. Nothing you pickpocket is worth much and coin gets heavy fast. Try moving in stealth when you are encumbered.

[Omnimorph]

Originally Posted by Noleafclover [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Since roleplaying is so important, don't you mean:

To wit: in the making of merriment in whereforth one doth act as though upon a stage, how another doth indignation take, in this world's stage, whence a criminal doth relieve others of their earthly possessions with glee and the scant flicker of a thought.

Roleplay a wizard for a more intelligent argument.

lol.

I'm an enchanter, i have mem blur. If i mem blur your mob, technically it's as if no one engaged it (no one on aggro list etc) so... can i then kill it? it's using my skill set :3

oh, and i'm a dark elf, so /role should work too. evil evil evil evil....

[azeth]

here's the tldr of this entire thread

OP asks - What's the official policy on pickpocketing mobs that are engaged?

Response (for it) - It's a game mechanic, it's the only way rogues can farm solo, stop crying.

Response (against it) - It's the same as KSing, the mob doesn't belong to you.

So, we currently have KSing rules which state you cannot engage a mob that has been previously engaged with intent to take the experience or loot. Now, pickpocketing pulls loot from the same loot table, so if a mob is engaged then guess what? You're stealing loot.

When you argue - It's a game mechanic, we wouldn't be able to pickpocket if it wasn't allowed. Well, FD is a game mechanic and I'm positive you'd be in R&F the moment some monk drops a train on you to take your camp.

How else can rogues make $ solo? Roll a mage. What about every other class that can't solo and can't pickpocket? I mean, every SK reading this thread should feel empowered to go out and KS the shit out of whomever they feel like, it's the same thing.

[Tiggles]

Originally Posted by azeth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

here's the tldr of this entire thread

OP asks - What's the official policy on pickpocketing mobs that are engaged?

Response (for it) - It's a game mechanic, it's the only way rogues can farm solo, stop crying.

Response (against it) - It's the same as KSing, the mob doesn't belong to you.

So, we currently have KSing rules which state you cannot engage a mob that has been previously engaged with intent to take the experience or loot. Now, pickpocketing pulls loot from the same loot table, so if a mob is engaged then guess what? You're stealing loot.

When you argue - It's a game mechanic, we wouldn't be able to pickpocket if it wasn't allowed. Well, FD is a game mechanic and I'm positive you'd be in R&F the moment some monk drops a train on you to take your camp.

How else can rogues make $ solo? Roll a mage. What about every other class that can't solo and can't pickpocket? I mean, every SK reading this thread should feel empowered to go out and KS the shit out of whomever they feel like, it's the same thing.

Problem with that is, Training using FD is an unintentional use of a mechanic. If the original devs new it would be such a long standing problem they would of developed it differently maybe. Pick Pocket is being used correctly there is no other use for it.

[azeth]

Originally Posted by Tiggles [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Problem with that is, Training using FD is an unintentional use of a mechanic. If the original devs new it would be such a long standing problem they would of developed it differently maybe. Pick Pocket is being used correctly there is no other use for it.

There's no other use for pickpocket other than taking $$ of engaged mobs? I think not, how bout the rogue epic? What about unengaged mobs?

[Darenenski]

Originally Posted by yaeger [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Clearly only seeing it from one side as well..

What's a rogue supposed to do to get gems for jewelry upgrades? Are there typically groups around to assist in farming these materials? Will the 'other side' group up with the rogue to help him?

The status quo is forcing the rogues into this underhanded style of play.

Translate: Waaa waaa I made a group dependent class and expect to have all the perks of a solo one too by ripping others off and wasting their time.

Solution: Go roll a mage and farm things legit and hopefully you can transfer your spam pick pocketing skills into spam pet heal, pet heal.

[Ponden]

Maybe those Rogues that PP mobs are skilling up for their epic. I think you are the only person in this thread that is getting overly worked up over this issue.

[azeth]

Originally Posted by Dominick [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

TLDR:
The point of this all? How much did I usually make? Not a lot. Nothing you pickpocket is worth much and coin gets heavy fast. Try moving in stealth when you are encumbered.

I think you're considering the wrong pickpocketing situation when stating your opinion here. Granted, I'm someone that is against pickpocketing *anything (even if its 2 silver and words of absorption) on principle - however consider the Allizewsaur example.

So many HP that it is not viable to farm for raw platinum. However, it's drop rate on BDs/Diam/BlackSaph is decent enough to turn a couple hours farming into profit. If a rogue even once PP's a black saph from your Allize camp, you just lost 3-4 hours.

Originally Posted by Ponden [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Maybe those Rogues that PP mobs are skilling up for their epic. I think you are the only person in this thread that is getting overly worked up over this issue.

What? Azeth is max PP skill from 2 hours of doing WFP guards. I would not go this route trying to justify pping engaged mobs.

[Dominick]

Originally Posted by Ponden [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Maybe those Rogues that PP mobs are skilling up for their epic. I think you are the only person in this thread that is getting overly worked up over this issue.

I only ever did it to make dogs yell, "Stop thief!"

Then I collect the tips for my talking dog routine

[Noleafclover]

Rogues got the shaft. There's very little use for picking locks or disarming traps either. That's why you shouldn't play a rogue first character unless you're up for a challenge. And we all know this, it's no big secret.

Your choice to play a challenging class does not mean you can negate other players individual mob kills because you chose to play a class that is in some ways weaker, esp. in classic.

There is effectively no difference between pickpocketing engaged mobs and a KS, and you can only dodge this lack of distinction by shifting the argument.

....But I'm falling into the trap of taking this seriously. I'd like to refer you to my original post. Roleplay a wizard for a more intelligent argument.