Question about a few missing features on P99

[mgellan]

Originally Posted by hatelore [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I remember having a 56k modem when I started everquest. That was about the same time I quit playing warcraft 2 on ipx (kali). hah.

The ISP I built in 1997 had 100% 28.8kbps modems so definitely at least 28.8 and as I recall we started putting in banks of 56k modems pretty quickly... I too had cable at home by the time I started playing in 2000 (and a T1 at work [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.])

Regards,
Mg

[Quineloe]

Originally Posted by Champion_Standing [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Didn't the game just scale the screen when you went above 800x600 or 1024x768 though? Like it would just be a smaller box in the middle with black borders? Maybe I'm thinking of something else.

That's only what happened with the "ancient" UI with the viewport. If you went into full screen, that didn't happen.

[Yonkec]

Can someone answer this, keeping in mind that I am only referring to cosmetic/QoL choices, and nothing relating to core gameplay or its mechanics?



Why does the opinion of those individuals who matter seem to be that "Classic was infallible and perfect and any attempts to improve on it must be shot dead." Anyone who EVER looks to improve a single piece of classic outside of game play and mechanics is categorized as a traitor it seems. These are only simple QoI improvements here, not DTing raid targets and warping through zones.

Verant, McQuade and whoever else was not infallible, was not perfect, and likely was restricted to a very specific toolbox due to budgets, technological constraints and time. What the poopsock is wrong with utilizing "newer" UI code, and /dragging of corpses (as a limited example)?

You have the ability to go so far beyond turning this into a carbon copy clusterfuck of antiquated norms and poor design choices, you can make it into what Everquest could have initially been if they had the time, insight, and knowledge. Yet I all here is "Fuck your custom UI's, Fuck your ability to hide your helmet, and most of all fuck Bards".

Why? If you want to get technical the phrase was "Fuck Monks." not bards.



If you want a classic UI, install one, they already exist. If you want to look at a spell-book as you meditate, tape a photo of Honey Boo-Boo to your monitor. That should be sufficient in size to hide most everything even on an eyefinity setup.

If you want to adhere so perfectly to 1999 EQ, that is your prerogative not mine as I contribute nothing productive to this and am not claiming otherwise. But why are you looking for force us to endure a "classic" UI, and intentionally breaking some of the improvements to the client that are present in Titanium...but you have no issue nerfing abilities and classes and techniques that were never changed in Classic?

Must be that time of the month for me, just don't forget that I do love everyone, even bards.

[Faerie]

Originally Posted by Yonkec [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Can someone answer this, keeping in mind that I am only referring to cosmetic/QoL choices, and nothing relating to core gameplay or its mechanics?



Why does the opinion of those individuals who matter seem to be that "Classic was infallible and perfect and any attempts to improve on it must be shot dead." Anyone who EVER looks to improve a single piece of classic outside of game play and mechanics is categorized as a traitor it seems. These are only simple QoI improvements here, not DTing raid targets and warping through zones.

Verant, McQuade and whoever else was not infallible, was not perfect, and likely was restricted to a very specific toolbox due to budgets, technological constraints and time. What the poopsock is wrong with utilizing "newer" UI code, and /dragging of corpses (as a limited example)?

You have the ability to go so far beyond turning this into a carbon copy clusterfuck of antiquated norms and poor design choices, you can make it into what Everquest could have initially been if they had the time, insight, and knowledge. Yet I all here is "Fuck your custom UI's, Fuck your ability to hide your helmet, and most of all fuck Bards".

Why? If you want to get technical the phrase was "Fuck Monks." not bards.



If you want a classic UI, install one, they already exist. If you want to look at a spell-book as you meditate, tape a photo of Honey Boo-Boo to your monitor. That should be sufficient in size to hide most everything even on an eyefinity setup.

If you want to adhere so perfectly to 1999 EQ, that is your prerogative not mine as I contribute nothing productive to this and am not claiming otherwise. But why are you looking for force us to endure a "classic" UI, and intentionally breaking some of the improvements to the client that are present in Titanium...but you have no issue nerfing abilities and classes and techniques that were never changed in Classic?

Must be that time of the month for me, just don't forget that I do love everyone, even bards.

Fucking bards over is very classic. To better emulate the classic experience, every other patch should introduce strange stacking and targeting issues with songs. Every couple years they should attempt to overhaul the entire bard casting system and break twisting for a bit.

But no, the reason seems to be simply that EQ got worse after Velious. To pick and choose which features were good and which weren't would be great for some other server, but I think the devs here sort of feel as though any deviation from classic (even the good stuff) is bad because they'd be coding in their own biases which would taint their vision for a truly classic server. Or something.

[Yonkec]

I totally get the majority of that thought. What I don't get and find sour is the push to essentially cut off one of the legs of the titanium client by systematically removing cosmetic/UI features that it contains.

Why is there this push to force a UI onto everyone that plays here, when the only people that are pushing for it can ALREADY INSTALL IT on their own computers, if they want it so badly? Why are we spending time trying to figure out how to enforce this anti-gay-marriage level nerf on the server instead of simply providing a workable classic ui package for those who want it?

[Faerie]

No one can spare us from classic's slings and arrows, and when UI changes come, we meet them alone.

[Lyra]

Forums are Classic.

This is the same discussion that took place in 1999, expect we were complaining about "the vision".

[fadetree]

Originally Posted by Yonkec [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Can someone answer this, keeping in mind that I am only referring to cosmetic/QoL choices, and nothing relating to core gameplay or its mechanics?



Why does the opinion of those individuals who matter seem to be that "Classic was infallible and perfect and any attempts to improve on it must be shot dead." Anyone who EVER looks to improve a single piece of classic outside of game play and mechanics is categorized as a traitor it seems. These are only simple QoI improvements here, not DTing raid targets and warping through zones.

Verant, McQuade and whoever else was not infallible, was not perfect, and likely was restricted to a very specific toolbox due to budgets, technological constraints and time. What the poopsock is wrong with utilizing "newer" UI code, and /dragging of corpses (as a limited example)?

You have the ability to go so far beyond turning this into a carbon copy clusterfuck of antiquated norms and poor design choices, you can make it into what Everquest could have initially been if they had the time, insight, and knowledge. Yet I all here is "Fuck your custom UI's, Fuck your ability to hide your helmet, and most of all fuck Bards".

Why? If you want to get technical the phrase was "Fuck Monks." not bards.



If you want a classic UI, install one, they already exist. If you want to look at a spell-book as you meditate, tape a photo of Honey Boo-Boo to your monitor. That should be sufficient in size to hide most everything even on an eyefinity setup.

If you want to adhere so perfectly to 1999 EQ, that is your prerogative not mine as I contribute nothing productive to this and am not claiming otherwise. But why are you looking for force us to endure a "classic" UI, and intentionally breaking some of the improvements to the client that are present in Titanium...but you have no issue nerfing abilities and classes and techniques that were never changed in Classic?

Must be that time of the month for me, just don't forget that I do love everyone, even bards.

Thats what I was trying to tell you. The PURPOSE of this server is to replicate classic. Not to be a enjoyable place to play for people who just want the good parts of classic. As it happens, I agree with you, there are things I wish they would change ( or leave ) but thats not the deal.

[Yonkec]

fadetree you missed my overall point. I get that, but why are they moving to force excessively minor COSMETIC choices on the entire player base when those choices can ALREADY be adhered to by anyone who desires them?

Oh, we want an analogy? Certainly!

Lets pretend this server is an operating table, where we all go to get minor and non-life threatening surgeries. Perhaps we all want breast augmentations. The Dev's are the surgeons. They are the only ones qualified to perform the operation, and the only ones keeping the lights on and the room stocked with whatever is necessary to give all of us hairy manboobs. The catch here is that there are two procedures that we can undergo to get them. All of the tools exist for either option in the room, there are no monentary limits as we all have adequate pixels for either procedure, and as the playerbase we each have our own preferences for which method we would like.

Option A) The devs can take out some tools and do everything by hand, without anesthesia, and requiring of hours and hours of time to open, stuff, and close our chubby chests.

Option B) The devs can put you under anesthesia, and utilize the high tech surgical da Vinci robot to make a minimal incision, stuff and close quickly with almost no pain, or scar.

The overall result is identical (Game mechanics, expansions, balance, itemization, bards sucking), but the path to get there(UI and /corpsedrag) is extremely different. What we have here are the devs outright telling us to gtfo if some of us opt for the more modern and painless option.

In no way does it alter the final result, only the path to get there. If some of you like pain and suffering you can easily and ALREADY choose that route. For those of us who prefer a bit less, we are being told that not only can we not coexist in a way that none of you would even be aware of as it is all client side, but that we should go fuck ourselves for even suggesting it, and that we are gonna like the antiquated pain that is about to be wrought for us.

None of you can even tell if I am using a modern vs classic UI, why the fuck is a classic UI going to be forced upon me in the future? For the record, this has nothing to do with spellbook medding, if you want to try to get that working I fully support that as it is mostly a GAMEPLAY element not a personal preference. Being attacked while blind and medding is significant. Being able to move my player window and change the color and artistic design of my bags is not.

[Quineloe]

we get it, you want the classic content with as modern a UI as possible.