Pick Pocket Policy: Mobs you don't own.

[User]

Originally Posted by Taxi [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

...it was more like a "I wish this was a pvp server so i could slay the OP's ass over and over and drink his tears" sort of thing.

However comical your PVP related comments on a PVE server are, they just aren't relavent and serve no purpose in the thread whatsoever, but I applaud you for trying to think outside the bun.

If this were a PVP server then I would have snared, feared, and laughed at the rogue ...not killing him ..just keeping him perpetually feared and snared. But this isn't. So I couldn't. So, yeah, here we are.

[Tiggles]

Originally Posted by User [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

However comical your PVP related comments on a PVE server are, they just aren't relavent and serve no purpose in the thread whatsoever, but I applaud you for trying to think outside the bun.

If this were a PVP server then I would have snared, feared, and laughed at the rogue ...not killing him ..just keeping him perpetually feared and snared. But this isn't. So I couldn't. So, yeah, here we are.

Can't fear players in PVP.

Also, most people here seem to think pickpocket is may more OP then it is. I have also pick pocketed most mobs in classic and the above post is right you may (rarely) get a diamond or gem but mostly you get Words, Gold/Silver, Nothing.


If you where farming alli and the rogue got 2-3 pick pockets off you I bet while you camped him for 5 hours you made triple what he made stealing from you.


Remember rogues can not solo AT ALL at high lvls forget about camping named item mobs. They are 100% group orientated.


The idea that a rogue is spamming his PP ability and stealing Gems Yaks FBSS with 100% accuracy is laughable.

[azeth]

Originally Posted by Tiggles [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If you where farming alli and the rogue got 2-3 pick pockets off you I bet while you camped him for 5 hours you made triple what he made stealing from you.

I wouldn't use Alli as your example to make this point. 3/4 times Alli drops NOTHING, also it's such a long fight that if Alli spawned with a Jacinth/Diamond/Blue Diamond/Black Sapphire its 100% guarantee a rogue will pickpocket it before you kill Alli.

The only way to prevent this is to kill your pet instantly when Alli does eventually notice the rogue.

edit: or feign death. Tbh any necro out there dealing with this pickpocket issue should easily be owning rogues by FDing if the mob has noticed the rogue at any point during the fight.

[Tiggles]

Originally Posted by azeth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I wouldn't use Alli as your example to make this point. 3/4 times Alli drops NOTHING, also it's such a long fight that if Alli spawned with a Jacinth/Diamond/Blue Diamond/Black Sapphire its 100% guarantee a rogue will pickpocket it before you kill Alli.

The only way to prevent this is to kill your pet instantly when Alli does eventually notice the rogue.

edit: or feign death. Tbh any necro out there dealing with this pickpocket issue should easily be owning rogues by FDing if the mob has noticed the rogue at any point during the fight.

Even using Ali as an example its been a while but i'm pretty sure he drops some coin when ever a rogue pickpockets on an even con mob (assuming the rogue is 50) there is about a 50+% he gets nothing and not noticed, Then a smaller chance he will be seen and the rest is a Success and he steals someting.

Now when he does succesfuly steals something it takes into account money as well and he doesnt steal ALL of the money just a chunk of it. So he steals some coin and tries again if he succesfully steals again then he may get more coin


Gems and items are the rarest part of a rogue pick pocket.


I would be more mad if a rogue was following around hill giants since he is a higher lvl they wouldent notice him and he could pick them dry while a mage is killing other ones and he would never even see the rogue since he is stealing before the mage gets to him.

[tj218]

Depends on the situation:

1. Sneaking into a raid or a dungeon camp and making multiple attempts, eventually picking the mob clean (it's on the same table in P99) is in poor taste, and should not be allowed.

2. Running past a druid quad kiting hill giants, and picking the giants (one time) as they pass you is hardly noticeable and while it probably shouldn't be done isn't worth getting your panties in a bunch. OOo they picked 4platinum.....look out. Then gate out, and teach the Rogue a lesson.

[azeth]

Originally Posted by tj218 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Depends on the situation:

1. Sneaking into a raid or a dungeon camp and making multiple attempts, eventually picking the mob clean (it's on the same table in P99) is in poor taste, and should not be allowed.

2. Running past a druid quad kiting hill giants, and picking the giants (one time) as they pass you is hardly noticeable and while it probably shouldn't be done isn't worth getting your panties in a bunch. OOo they picked 4platinum.....look out. Then gate out, and teach the Rogue a lesson.

I agree. I personally hate the Allizewsaur example though because it's such a safe spot for a rogue to PP that realistically any rogue could be camping the gems, while a pet class does all the work.

[Kani]

There was a thread talking about pickpocketing a while back, and when the change was made to a separate loot pool. I tried back then, sifting through old patch messages to find out when this change went into effect, without any luck. PP'ing from a mob someone had engaged, is a bit of a dick move IMO. If it wasn't being fought or actively camped, then it's fair game to be picked clean. When it comes to groups; I would always share the wealth, if I amassed a bunch of gems. Even a Rogue should allow his allies a small taste of the wealth. At least that's the way I always saw it.

[dallammarr]

Originally Posted by Tiggles [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Can't fear players in PVP.

If this is true then its NOT classic as you were able to fear other players in PVP up until they revamped the PVP system which if memory serves me correctly occured either just before or just after the release of Luclin in 2001.

Prior to that I clearly remember as a 35 Necro in the Kunark era, being challeneged by a 40 Ench and whiping his ass. Also while camping pzjyn at level 45 some jackass ranja thinking he was gonna steal my camp and me fear kiting his ass back to Qeynos as he agreed to a duel and winner got the camp. In PVP necros were almost unbeatable until they gimped us in the PVP changes.

[User]

Originally Posted by Tiggles [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Can't fear players in PVP.

That's too bad, guess i'd have to slap him with AIDS and spam shadowstep instead.

Originally Posted by Tiggles [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If you where farming alli and the rogue got 2-3 pick pockets off you I bet while you camped him for 5 hours you made triple what he made stealing from you.

It is HIGHLY unlilkely that he stole anything more than a few coins, since it is HIGHLY unlikely that Allizewsaur will spawn with any items at all. It's the principal that I'm fighting for. (Been camping him 6 hours with no loot worth mentioning but, again, this is irrelevant to the issue)

Originally Posted by Tiggles [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Remember rogues can not solo AT ALL at high lvls forget about camping named item mobs. They are 100% group orientated.

I fail to see how that's my responsibility. I also have a 50 rogue, but I don't rely on him for loot ...that's why I made a character that can farm stuff. I mean seriously ...DUH.

Originally Posted by Tiggles [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The idea that a rogue is spamming his PP ability and stealing Gems Yaks FBSS with 100% accuracy is laughable.

Agreed.



Come on now you can't honestly feel that it is okay for a rogue to pickpocket black sapphires from your engaged targets can you?

How is that any different than charming another's named, fearing another's named, or training another player as they fight their named ...all with the explicit intent to take the loot as your own from someone already engaged on the mob?

The means may differ but the end is the same. It's straight stealing of loot. I can't lay it out any more clearly than that.

[azeth]

Originally Posted by User [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The means may differ but the end is the same. It's straight stealing of loot. I can't lay it out any more clearly than that.

agree. I even main-play a rogue.