Noble Dojorn Timers - Page 10

Splorf22 · #91 03-09-2014, 03:51 PM

I am fine with either, really, although I can't see The A-team winning any poopsocking wars. I just find your position hypocritical. In practice, everyone has been leaving them up for the past 2+ weeks except for you guys (twice now).

I'm quite curious to see how BDA and Nemce and such respond.

-Catherin- · #92 03-09-2014, 03:56 PM

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I am fine with either, really, although I can't see The A-team winning any poopsocking wars. I just find your position hypocritical. In practice, everyone has been leaving them up for the past 2+ weeks except for you guys (twice now).

I'm quite curious to see how BDA and Nemce and such respond.

im sure azure guard disagrees. Loraen you havnt been very outspoken about this at all until it effects you. that is hypocritical in itself.

you cant expect anyone to follow an agreement that people havnt agreed to. We tried to do this already and we got burned. We still would like to, but something concrete needs to be discussed.

Splorf22 · #93 03-09-2014, 04:07 PM

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im sure azure guard disagrees. Loraen you havnt been very outspoken about this at all until it effects you. that is hypocritical in itself.

I don't think you understand what this word means. When you complain about other people killing Noble Dojorn on your day and then do it yourself, that is hypocritical. Pointing out that someone else is being hypocritical is not hypocritical. I did not make the same post about TMO because they never made the same complaints, hence they are not being hypocritical. /boggle

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Originally Posted by Catherin

you cant expect anyone to follow an agreement that people havnt agreed to

Actually, pretty much everyone has been leaving Nobles up for the past two weeks except you. I even talked to TMO a bit which is why they weren't in Sky last Wednesday for example. Sure they aren't making some sort of groveling post, but they have been more or less respecting it.

P.S. this is like the third week in row you guys have done this, and its my first post. Well trio of posts. Anyway, I'm done, I simply wanted to point things out. We'll see how things evolve moving forward.

-Catherin- · #94 03-09-2014, 04:14 PM

No we made it pretty clear that if guilds started sniping on other guilds sky days that there was no agreement. We were ticked off that it happened. We are following through with what was promised now. We are not going to go ahead in good faith hoping we don't get jumped again when we "finally" get a noble to spawn on our night after two months. That's what happened last time. You didn't care much then. Looks like you do now.

I'll say again. We are more than willing to go along with an agreement. we WANT an agreement. but until everyone says they are onboard with it... then there is NO agreement.

ill return to this thread when we are all ready to talk and to get something in place that we can trust that everyone will follow

arsenalpow · #95 03-09-2014, 04:31 PM

BDA could easily kill overseers or snipe nobles but we want the initial plan to go forward as it was until TMO decided to break it. Noble pops on your day, kill it. Stay out of sky if it isn't your day. It's really simple.

Striiker · #96 03-09-2014, 04:40 PM

Taken has been pushing and working on having this agreement work out. Everyone was in agreement that we would leave Overseer of Air up to spawn multiple Nobles. Everyone was in agreement that if a Noble popped on a guild's night, it was theirs.

I was present during the discussions in Mumble or Vent when we were first trying to iron out the agreements around all raid mobs. At the time someone brought up Noble / Overseer and all raiding guilds were present and tacitly agreed to the notion that if Overseer pops on your sky day, it's yours. All class C guilds as well as all Class R guilds (or their authorized proxy) were present. The mechanics were explained and we all thought it was would be a great idea.

With a series of missteps due to server resets etc. we finally started to see more nobles spawn. Taken respected the rotation numerous times, leaving Noble up for whomever was due to kill him. On Taken's night we had a tracker present and were going to head to Sky when he popped and TMO shows up and within minutes of spawning, flowed a pile of people in to Sky and killed him. They were unapologetic and stated that they were not willing to abide by this agreement.

We did try to ask guilds in this forum to discuss this as have others, and nobody from TMO stepped up to explicitly state that they will abide by the agreement to leave Noble up for whomever's sky night it was. So we in Taken have been viewing this as a return to the click-fest bullshit until we hear from TMO in this forum. (their officers and guild leader have access)

I personally do not want to do the click air to get FTE. It's ridiculous, it's a waste of time and does not involve skill. Taken doesn't want to be doing this either. Starting with TMO can we please get each raiding guild to state here that they agree to leave Noble up for whomever's sky night it is? IF we can get these responses then I would say that there is an agreement in place.

bktroost · #97 03-09-2014, 05:29 PM

Let's put this to a rest. TMO and Taken both have a point, points which can reasonably spawn animosity. TMO were the first to break the pact on 2-21 during Taken's night when they had less than one group setting up. They said they engaged because Taken was not there in force. On 2-22 TMO engaged during AGs night while we had 30+ people and mid sky progression.

In retaliation, Taken began sniping Nobles in the same manner that TMO did. TMO set a precedent and it would be foolish to assume that every other guild would abide by a plan when a major contender is not. It's not hypocrisy, it's following a precedent. Adapt to survive, it's logical. Not the best solution by any means, but logical.

However, let's use this forum to set a new (old) precedent. Azure Guard throws in their hand on this agreement with Taken. The count is up to 2. Who else wants to make this server better?

PS: you can tell tiggles that he doesn't need to leave his mage invis in the OOA windmill to fraps us. At this time AG is very willing to play nice and has no intention of downing them. Your confidence in us is refreshing.

Dentalplan · #98 03-09-2014, 10:09 PM

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Noble pops on your day, kill it. Stay out of sky if it isn't your day. It's really simple.

Divinity agrees with this plan.

Powtle · #99 03-10-2014, 02:56 PM

0 Dojorn and 3 Overseers atm

bktroost · #**100** 03-11-2014, 09:41 AM

So am I correct in seeing BDA, Taken, A-Team, Europa and Divinity all in agreement about the Noble spawns? Who does that leave? Sky rotation thread says this:

Tentative schedule moving forward (as of 11/06/2013)

Sunday - AM - TMO, PM - A-Team*
Monday - Europa, PM - Indignation
Tuesday - IB*
Wednesday - Divinity*
Thursday - Taken*
Friday - BDA*
Saturday - AM/ early PM - TMO, Late PM - Azure Guard*

Looks like we need TMO, Indignation, IB and FE... although there is no more FE? Which means Just TMO, Indignation and IB.

I hope we get a response soon. The last time TMO posted in this thread was 3-3? I don't see IB anywhere, nor Indig. I think if we put a "make or break" date on the OOAs then the stalling will come to an end.