Is Pantheon Really Going to Happen?

[Kayso]

Originally Posted by Champion_Standing [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What part of bad investment is so hard for you to understand? Giving this moron any money to make a game expecting to make a return on it is a horrible fucking idea. I don't care if you are talking about him getting the money from Grandma, a publisher, or a venture capitalist firm, its all a bad fucking investment.

It's not a pinky promise and its not "giving him money to make a game". It's loaning him $340K so that he can get a free $460K so that he can immediately (or as close to it as possible) return to you your $340K + a nice chunk of the $460K.

Rather he uses the leftovers to make a game or rather he spends it all on Taco Bell, you don't give a fuck. You have some sort of an agreement with some sort of personal guaranty that you feel okay about. And that agreement says you get paid first.

Yes there's risk, but the risk isn't upon the success of the game. The risk is rather he defaults and doesn't pay you back immediately once he gets his money from kickstart.

For the right margin, and depending on appetite for risk, it's a sound investment.

[Weyoun the Vorta]

I'm glad that this Brad fellow isn't one of the founders. Had he been, the dominion would likely have collapsed ten millennia ago.

[Thulack]

Originally Posted by Kayso [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If $340K is "draining" your retirement, you're not the target investor. There are, however, plenty of people who would and should risk $340K for a quick lucrative payday.

You don't leave free money on the table. Period.

how is 340k a quick lucrative payday. Unless they take you on as a partner then your just another handing over money for free person. They didnt leave 460k on the table. They are taking the same donations on their own site and since only 9% of the KS supporters were p99 people who needed their name to show on the KS page to get recognition for P99 stuff i'm sure the other people are in turn just taking their money to the website and donating it there for the same perks.

[arsenalpow]

Originally Posted by Weyoun the Vorta [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm glad that this Brad fellow isn't one of the founders. Had he been, the dominion would likely have collapsed ten millennia ago.

easily the best troll account i've seen in months

[Kayso]

Originally Posted by Thulack [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

how is 340k a quick lucrative payday. Unless they take you on as a partner then your just another handing over money for free person. They didnt leave 460k on the table. They are taking the same donations on their own site and since only 9% of the KS supporters were p99 people who needed their name to show on the KS page to get recognition for P99 stuff i'm sure the other people are in turn just taking their money to the website and donating it there for the same perks.

No, you're not just handing over money for free. You have an agreement before you "pledge" on kickstarter. And that agreement gets you something per that outside agreement. Maybe that agreement is with yourself? Can brad not put in the $340K and pay himself $340K in salary (plus a li'l extra for some oxies) as soon as they fund?

Now all I need is some genius to point out that this is against the rules or spirit of kickstart and the circle of futility will be complete.

[Thulack]

Originally Posted by Kayso [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No, you're not just handing over money for free. You have an agreement before you "pledge" on kickstarter. And that agreement gets you something per that outside agreement. Maybe that agreement is with yourself? Can brad not put in the $340K and pay himself $340K in salary (plus a li'l extra for some oxies) as soon as they fund?

Now all I need is some genius to point out that this is against the rules or spirit of kickstart and the circle of futility will be complete.

The against the rules was already stated when this first came out. Whats your response to the fact that people can just go to their page and donate and have? they arent leaving the money on the table like you say.

[Kayso]

Originally Posted by Thulack [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The against the rules was already stated when this first came out. Whats your response to the fact that people can just go to their page and donate and have? they arent leaving the money on the table like you say.

I don't have a response for that. We have to be having the same conversation in order for me to respond.

$460K was not collected today. Irrefutable fact. Will some of those people go over to their site and pledge directly? Sure. Will all of them? Of course not. So how many? And how much of what they eventually collect will be new donors who didn't donate to kickstart?

If someone offers you $460K will you turn them down and hope they offer some portion of that money a second time? You actually might. But the correct answer is no.

[Vega]

Originally Posted by Kayso [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I don't have a response for that. We have to be having the same conversation in order for me to respond.

$460K was not collected today. Irrefutable fact. Will some of those people go over to their site and pledge directly? Sure. Will all of them? Of course not. So how many? And how much of what they eventually collect will be new donors who didn't donate to kickstart?

If someone offers you $460K will you turn them down and hope they offer some portion of that money a second time? You actually might. But the correct answer is no.

Not sure I really get you're whole point in this thread. The reason some people donate through Kickstarter is the guarantee that they are not throwing their money away on something that may only get half funded. If the people that donated before still want to donate now through the website, they can. This isn't losing these people's money if they still want to give it to the project. Saying it's stupid of Brad not to take advantage of the people who donated within the confines of Kickstarter's definition of 'funding', is actually very disturbing.

[Thulack]

Not sure if you already read the letter that brad posted today or not but they already said they made a mistake by using kickstarter for that shear purpose. They couldnt have taken the money if they wanted to from kickstarter. So they were stupid for using KS as their collection site but not for turning it down because they had to.

[radditsu]

Answer to op: nope. Not going to happen.