Is Pantheon Really Going to Happen?

[Kayso]

Originally Posted by Champion_Standing [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The point was that it would be an awful investment, there is no quick payday here.

And the point was wrong.

The angel isn't funding them for a trip to San Diego to design a level or some other rewards being offered via the kickstart page... He's doing it for his investment back plus a return in the short term. Consulting fees. Fees to his company. A salaried position. Something.

You realize I'm not talking about some random stranger pledging 340K out of the blue through kickstart, right? I'm talking about the developers approaching an investor (perhaps a relative or even themselves) and asking him to fund the rest so they don't leave money on the table. I'd figure that would be obvious, but maybe not based on your responses.

[Quineloe]

Originally Posted by nilzark [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I guess one must ask, why are these men unemployed?

I don't know if they're really all unemployed. I think Brad is the only one? If they were unemployed, I would have expected far more during the kickstarter than no working pre-alpha version of the game and just a few screenshots and vague ideas about class design. It feels like 9 out of those 10 people are still working a full time job and all they contribute so far is what they can squeeze in between work and family.

And you're wrong, people start business ventures and run out of money half way through all the time.

I'm not talking about a business in general, I am talking about a specific project. If you half-fund a project, you're just blowing money out of the window. If you do that often enough, you can close your company.

[Kayso]

Originally Posted by Quineloe [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm not talking about a business in general, I am talking about a specific project. If you half-fund a project, you're just blowing money out of the window. If you do that often enough, you can close your company.

This company lives and dies by the pending success of this one game. Now, if it is successful they could make more games. If not, probably one and done.

If you get a chance to even 1/10th fund your project for free, you do so and then keep looking for the other 90%. Or you should, at least.

I'd no more turn down 1/2 the money my company needed for a project than I would 1/2 a blowjob.

[Byrjun]

Originally Posted by Kayso [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I have zero faith in someone who'd leave $460K of free money on the table.

Between the entire team they couldn't pool together $340K? None of them have retirement accounts to borrow against? Or houses to borrow against? Or relatives who wanted to make some easy money?

Crackheads.

This was my immediate thought and I was shocked when I saw the timer actually ran out without them funding the rest themselves. I was like, well, I guess they decided to pull the plug on this game. So I check Brad's twitter and he has all these tweets like WE ARE GOING TO SUCCEED and that they have investors interested and shit...

If you had investors interested how the fuck did you fail your Kickstarter and piss away $440k? You have more than 1 investor but can't pool them together for $360k? And you think you're going to make a decent MMO?

Brad McQuaid continues to blow my mind (in the Vanguard way, not in the EQ way).

[Quineloe]

Are you seriously asking why none of the people involved are willing to throw 300k into the pledge on the vague promise of getting a return on that investment?

[Champion_Standing]

Originally Posted by Kayso [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

And the point was wrong.

The angel isn't funding them for a trip to San Diego to design a level or some other rewards being offered via the kickstart page... He's doing it for his investment back plus a return in the short term. Consulting fees. Fees to his company. A salaried position. Something.

You realize I'm not talking about some random stranger pledging 340K out of the blue through kickstart, right? I'm talking about the developers approaching an investor (perhaps a relative or even themselves) and asking him to fund the rest so they don't leave money on the table. I'd figure that would be obvious, but maybe not based on your responses.

What part of bad investment is so hard for you to understand? Giving this moron any money to make a game expecting to make a return on it is a horrible fucking idea. I don't care if you are talking about him getting the money from Grandma, a publisher, or a venture capitalist firm, its all a bad fucking investment.

[Byrjun]

Originally Posted by Quineloe [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Are you seriously asking why none of the people involved are willing to throw 300k into the pledge on the vague promise of getting a return on that investment?

If they weren't, this game should never have even been on Kickstarter in the first place.

[Quineloe]

Originally Posted by Byrjun [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If they weren't, this game should never have even been on Kickstarter in the first place.

you have the weirdest definition of kickstarter.

[JayN]

Originally Posted by LostCause [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

brade just needs money for oxies

Originally Posted by Kayso [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I have zero faith in someone who'd leave $460K of free money on the table.

Between the entire team they couldn't pool together $340K? None of them have retirement accounts to borrow against? Or houses to borrow against? Or relatives who wanted to make some easy money?

Crackheads.

Brad should DEF not be leading the Team; hes proved to be inept

[Byrjun]

Originally Posted by Quineloe [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

you have the weirdest definition of kickstarter.

I don't think I ever attempted to define kickstarter.