PRAS THE GRAND MASTER

[Bamz4l]

I can at least speak for myself... pretty sure no one in azrael wanted to join Red Dawn to begin with. The problem was that the only other option was Nihilum. But now we are back to Azrael vs Nihilum, and Red Dawn quickly falls in line as the current nihi feeder guild (replacing force, dentist, any other guild that refused to ally with Azrael to defeat nihilism, only to keep nihilum in #1 spot for infinity)

[chu]

Originally Posted by HippoNipple [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Basically comes down to players like Salem or Lite, that are skilled and good guys, having problems committing to a long term strategy. Players like this will always want drama because their egos crave it. If they aren't shown the right amount of attention or feel like they are "elite" they flake and go do their own thing in their little clique. Lowering expectations and goals is the only way to ensure they will accomplish them. Instead of contesting they make the goal to get more pvp kills then deaths. Which is a pretty simple deal, you zone into KC a couple times a day and back stab people.

If Azrael members really wanted to see the fall of Nihilum and win the war they wouldn't have spun off to make this small sniping guild. They just want to get random yellow text and hurt other guilds when they can. They don't have actual goals of their own. This is fine and the desired play style of a lot of PvP minded players, but call it what it is. FoH is a great example of a long lasting PvP guild that doesn't pretend to be something that it isn't.

This sounds harsh and wasn't supposed to. Azrael is a PvP guild. PvP guilds are never meant to take over PvE guilds. They just get their fun in when they can. Calling Azrael the "resistance" is a joke. No PvP guild will ever overthrow the current number 1 guild. There is no long term plan or goals. You get some yellow text and the players respawn.

Trying to build a new PvE guild involves putting your egos aside, realizing you are not the "elite" at this time, and striving to eventually become the elite in a guild you built. A lot of Azrael members don't want that and it makes sense that they wanted to not be a part of Red Dawn. My playtime actually favors joining a guild like Azrael and I think it would be a lot of fun but at the same time I enjoy being apart of a guild that is trying to accomplish something long term and build. I think I would be happy in either guild.

tldr

[Zalaerian]

Originally Posted by HippoNipple [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Basically comes down to players like Salem or Lite, that are skilled and good guys, having problems committing to a long term strategy. Players like this will always want drama because their egos crave it. If they aren't shown the right amount of attention or feel like they are "elite" they flake and go do their own thing in their little clique. Lowering expectations and goals is the only way to ensure they will accomplish them. Instead of contesting they make the goal to get more pvp kills then deaths. Which is a pretty simple deal, you zone into KC a couple times a day and back stab people.

If Azrael members really wanted to see the fall of Nihilum and win the war they wouldn't have spun off to make this small sniping guild. They just want to get random yellow text and hurt other guilds when they can. They don't have actual goals of their own. This is fine and the desired play style of a lot of PvP minded players, but call it what it is. FoH is a great example of a long lasting PvP guild that doesn't pretend to be something that it isn't.

This sounds harsh and wasn't supposed to. Azrael is a PvP guild. PvP guilds are never meant to take over PvE guilds. They just get their fun in when they can. Calling Azrael the "resistance" is a joke. No PvP guild will ever overthrow the current number 1 guild. There is no long term plan or goals. You get some yellow text and the players respawn.

Trying to build a new PvE guild involves putting your egos aside, realizing you are not the "elite" at this time, and striving to eventually become the elite in a guild you built. A lot of Azrael members don't want that and it makes sense that they wanted to not be a part of Red Dawn. My playtime actually favors joining a guild like Azrael and I think it would be a lot of fun but at the same time I enjoy being apart of a guild that is trying to accomplish something long term and build. I think I would be happy in either guild.

This exaxtly . I asked lite so many times I lost count of "what's the plan for velious" "what are day one goals what are 3 month goals". The is this. Azreal has no goals. Zero. /who kc and llufing in and out of it are their longest term goals. Maybe sniping yt here or there. A guild with zero velious prep is not what I'm looking for and I know a lot of RD core think the same. Gotta have a plan. Even if your plan looks like shit.

[Nirgon]

A walk in the garden of betrayal with the Duke.

[Nirgon]

Don't betray the Duke

[lite]

Originally Posted by HippoNipple [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Trying to build a new PvE guild involves putting your egos aside, realizing you are not the "elite" at this time, and striving to eventually become the elite in a guild you built. A lot of Azrael members don't want that and it makes sense that they wanted to not be a part of Red Dawn. My playtime actually favors joining a guild like Azrael and I think it would be a lot of fun but at the same time I enjoy being apart of a guild that is trying to accomplish something long term and build. I think I would be happy in either guild.

damn I love you hippo. You are welcome anytime if you decide to go full fucking blown out red.

[Colgate]

Originally Posted by heartbrand [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

People need to realize, the poaching of members, the LobbyQuest of Lite and crew via cell phone numbers to get people to switch sides, the decision to go it their own on repop day, all happened BEFORE nizzar ever reached out to us. You guys talk a big game about allying and taking Nihilum down, but before you zoned into Fear where were the /tell's asking us to head over to VS to fight Nihilum? Or head over to Sev? Or head over to Trak? Suddenly when you zone 20+ people into Fear to take CT, you're "ready" to work together? gud 2 no

before the mobs had even spawned i asked if you were working with azrael that day and you said "no" "azrael kos"

[Stalos_]

Originally Posted by Zalaerian [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This exaxtly . I asked lite so many times I lost count of "what's the plan for velious" "what are day one goals what are 3 month goals". The is this. Azreal has no goals. Zero. /who kc and llufing in and out of it are their longest term goals. Maybe sniping yt here or there. A guild with zero velious prep is not what I'm looking for and I know a lot of RD core think the same. Gotta have a plan. Even if your plan looks like shit.

Everyone got a plan till they get hit with a bat. And I'm with that bat.

[Twainz]

Originally Posted by Colgate [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

before the mobs had even spawned i asked if you were working with azrael that day and you said "no" "azrael kos"

Hey Colgate, if I blow up your car and rape your girlfriend, can I still be the best man at your wedding?

[heartbrand]

Originally Posted by Colgate [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

before the mobs had even spawned i asked if you were working with azrael that day and you said "no" "azrael kos"

Shouldn't it be an officer or leader of AZ asking me that and not Colgate <Dentists>?