Doljon Trains Hate, attempts to KS an already FTE'd Maestro

[hatelore]

Originally Posted by Derubael [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

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couldn't help it.

Hahha, I really love this gm~

[Splorf22]

Originally Posted by Nefarum [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

There was never any intentional training in hate. This is Everquest. It's messy and dangerous, especially in a zone like Hate. With 2 guilds maneuvering to get to Maestro, there's bound to be over-agro and wiping. Doljo also wiped to "trains". Once again, I doubt it was intentional on either side.

We did not train you. The whole time we were sitting at the fountain rezzing/medding and your monks flopped multiple trains on us. Then you started clearing and you were aggroing the 2nd floor and that hit us a few times too.

Originally Posted by Nefarum

Doljo saw a window where they could get to Maestro and was moving in for the kill. A-team got FTE (good work). They then ran Maestro straight to our raid, feigned, and agrod Maestro all over Doljo. Probably not intentional, but it's what happened. At that point what do we do? Just let it wipe us since A-team got FTE but trained it on us and isn't engaging? Or kill the mob that was agrod on us?

You don't understand how FTE messages work obviously. This WOULD have been true (Clang didn't quite understand what I wanted him to do) but Jetli tried to take the pull while I had it aggroed. It was a straight up FTE snipe by you guys.

[khanable]

All raid mobs provide an "FTE Shout" that show what guild has engaged. Kill stealing will be severely disciplined.

As per the server rules.

What's the punishment?

[Nefarum]

Originally Posted by Triangle [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Not the case and here is why:
(1) IF Raid Mob is agro'd THEN he shouts FTE of agroer
(2) IF agroer FDs or Dies, THEN Raid Mob resets FTE list UNLESS Raid Mob has another person on agro list
(3) THEREFORE, IF your story were correct THEN Maestro would have shouted a 2nd FTE message and you would have had the kill legitimately.

It is not even up for discussion, that is how the game mechanics work.

So since Raev ran Maestro right into us and flopped, our whole guild was still on his agro list are we not? What options does Doljo have at that point, just let themselves wipe?

[Euth]

He wasn't close when he flopped... As has been stated here multiple times, your monk got agro because he tagged while after Raev FTE and BEFORE he FDed, this getting you agro. Why so hard to understand?

[CodyF86]

Also Clang was on the aggro list from right after the FTE message from disease cloud, so clang was riding that aggro list all the way till the end.

We could have just ran over and raped him, but wasn't trying to make the clusterfak more convoluted.

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[khanable]

They did give everyone fair warning

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[Nefarum]

So at worst, if everything went as you say, it was:

- a close race
- a messy situation with some confusion over the agro list

Certainly no malice, no underhanded tactics, no intentional trains.

[Sinestria]

Originally Posted by Nefarum [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So at worst, if everything went as you say, it was:

- a close race
- a messy situation with some confusion over the agro list

Certainly no malice, no underhanded tactics, no intentional trains.

If everything went as described there was intentional training and kill stealing. You're a shitty lawyer.

[YendorLootmonkey]

Originally Posted by Nefarum [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So at worst, if everything went as you say, it was:

- a close race
- a messy situation with some confusion over the agro list

Certainly no malice, no underhanded tactics, no intentional trains.

The FTE shout mechanic was put in so there would never EVER be confusion on who got FTE on the mob again. How could it not be more clear?