RE: Camping

[Hitpoint]

I can't speak for the whole playerbase. I'm sure that thread is filled with misinformation. But from what I remember, the real problem with the BDA thing is that there was a whole raid logged in and fighting halfway to Trakanon, and logs showed that a mob relatively close to Trakanon's lair had been killed recently. That's a huge difference from being camped at the zone in waiting for a coth. I think the rules allow for that difference.

Logically the zone in is what makes sense because it's the farthest you can reasonably be away from a raid mob, while still being in the same zone. Maybe, in theory there, are places that you can be which are still not in the vicinity of a raid target, but everyone just wants to play it safe and use zone in as the default. I think that's smart, and we should just make it an unofficial or maybe official rule.

[YendorLootmonkey]

Originally Posted by Hitpoint [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I can't speak for the whole playerbase. I'm sure that thread is filled with misinformation. But from what I remember, the real problem with the BDA thing is that there was a whole raid logged in and fighting halfway to Trakanon, and logs showed that a mob relatively close to Trakanon's lair had been killed recently. That's a huge difference from being camped at the zone in waiting for a coth. I think the rules allow for that difference.

Nope, Rogean clearly said in our suspension thread:

"the spirit of this rule should indiciate that it is unacceptable to have a raid force anywhere in the zone when a raid mob spawned, as it is an unfair advantage over the other guilds following the rules"

This was extrapolated from:

"Guilds may not have any more than two representatives present at a raid spawn location."

So I don't see how "the vicinity of raid targets" from:

"To encourage competitive racing, guilds may not camp players out in the vicinity of raid targets."

would mean anything less than outside of the zone. Unless we're now making exceptions for violating the spirit of the rule.

[Hitpoint]

Originally Posted by YendorLootmonkey [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Nope, Rogean clearly said in our suspension thread:

"the spirit of this rule should indiciate that it is unacceptable to have a raid force anywhere in the zone when a raid mob spawned, as it is an unfair advantage over the other guilds following the rules"

This was extrapolated from:

"Guilds may not have any more than two representatives present at a raid spawn location."

So I don't see how "the vicinity of raid targets" from:

"To encourage competitive racing, guilds may not camp players out in the vicinity of raid targets."

would mean anything less than outside of the zone. Unless we're now making exceptions for violating the spirit of the rule.

Imo he is very clearly talking about toons that are logged in.

[Frogie305]

Originally Posted by Hitpoint [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Imo he is very clearly talking about toons that are logged in.

LOGIC? GO AWAY LOGIC IS NOT ALLOWED!

[YendorLootmonkey]

Originally Posted by Hitpoint [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Imo he is very clearly talking about toons that are logged in.

I know that. Focus on the phrases I bolded. If "at a raid spawn location" means "anywhere in the zone" then "in the vicinity of the raid target" must also mean "anywhere in the zone", regardless of what you are talking about. How can you possibly refute the English language?

[Fuddwin]

Originally Posted by YendorLootmonkey [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I know that. Focus on the phrases I bolded. If "at a raid spawn location" means "anywhere in the zone" then "in the vicinity of the raid target" must also mean "anywhere in the zone", regardless of what you are talking about. How can you possibly refute the English language?

Definitely still talking about characters actually logged in no? But yeh... what you have in bold means all the same... I suppose... Though it doesn't pertain to characters that are not actually logged in... meh

[YendorLootmonkey]

Originally Posted by Fuddwin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Definitely still talking about characters actually logged in no? But yeh... what you have in bold means all the same... I suppose... Though it doesn't pertain to characters that are not actually logged in... meh

Ignore the logged in/out status of the characters, stop getting hung up on that. Yes, I realize they are two different rules. It simply comes down to this:

If I tell you that "at Trakanon's spawn location" means "anywhere in the zone", then how does "in the vicinity of Trakanon's spawn location" not also mean "anywhere in the zone"?