a question for the Atheists..

[Raavak]

A lot of Old Testament commandment stuff were just rules for life... like don't eat pork... why? Because back then you'd get sick and die. Not sure why you couldn't shave, get a tattoo, or pork a man, but at the time it probably made sense.

[Raavak]

And I totally don't like how the God of the Old Testament ordered the Jewish to slaughter all those people in Canaan and stuff. It doesn't sit right with me either.

Maybe I'm a heretic, but I think Moses and the leaders after him made that crap up, then put it in the Bible. But then again, with string theory and all that, I think God is larger and more complex than a human can ever even begin to understand, and a lot of what we have is just filtered down through puny, imperfect, and corruptible human minds to be written into the Book.

But as a Freemason, I believe that God's word is still there. Its just that it takes a lot of wisdom to decipher it.

[Shaakglith12194]

Originally Posted by Raavak [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

And I totally don't like how the God of the Old Testament ordered the Jewish to slaughter all those people in Canaan and stuff. It doesn't sit right with me either.

Maybe I'm a heretic, but I think Moses and the leaders after him made that crap up, then put it in the Bible. But then again, with string theory and all that, I think God is larger and more complex than a human can ever even begin to understand, and a lot of what we have is just filtered down through puny, imperfect, and corruptible human minds to be written into the Book.

But as a Freemason, I believe that God's word is still there. Its just that it takes a lot of wisdom to decipher it.

Or maybe it's just a bunch of crap primitive people made up to understand the world around them, support their barbaric ways, and control people? And maybe now it's a way for people to cope with their insignificance in the grand scheme of things? I think Carl Sagan had it right when he said, "We are a way for the universe to know itself."

[Shaakglith12194]

Originally Posted by Raavak [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

And I totally don't like how the God of the Old Testament ordered the Jewish to slaughter all those people in Canaan and stuff. It doesn't sit right with me either.

Maybe I'm a heretic, but I think Moses and the leaders after him made that crap up, then put it in the Bible. But then again, with string theory and all that, I think God is larger and more complex than a human can ever even begin to understand, and a lot of what we have is just filtered down through puny, imperfect, and corruptible human minds to be written into the Book.

But as a Freemason, I believe that God's word is still there. Its just that it takes a lot of wisdom to decipher it.

Also, it's blasphemy. Here's another gem about blasphemy, it's an unforgivable act:
“I promise you that any of the sinful things you say or do can be forgiven, no matter how terrible those things are. But if you speak against the Holy Spirit, you can never be forgiven. That sin will be held against you forever.” — Mark 3:28-29

blas·phe·my
noun: blasphemy; plural noun: blasphemies
1. the act or offense of speaking sacrilegiously about God or sacred things; profane talk.

Here's an interesting theological article that states that Jesus himself says that the Old Testament is the word of God: http://carm.org/bible-isnt-word-god-...tains-word-god
It goes into more depth than that, but that's what's important to take away from it. So there ya go, the J-Man says that it's the word of god, and you have basically said he made shit up. You have now blasphemed against the holy spirit! I'll see ya in hell, all the cool people will be there anyway.

[Raavak]

"John 3:16 - For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." Heard lots of Christians use this phrase as a reason non-Christians won't go to "heaven". I'm sorry, but I think that is bullshit. I don't think you are damned just because no one ever taught you about Jesus.

[Shaakglith12194]

Originally Posted by Raavak [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

"John 3:16 - For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." Heard lots of Christians use this phrase as a reason non-Christians won't go to "heaven". I'm sorry, but I think that is bullshit. I don't think you are damned just because no one ever taught you about Jesus.

There's something referred to in christian theological circles as the "Fair Play" doctrine, which basically says if you don't get the chance to learn about god, you'll come back to life over and over until you get the opportunity to accept/reject him. It is contradictory to what is in the bible. Christian view of "god" is all fucked up.

[phacemeltar]

Originally Posted by Orruar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What exactly is the holy spirit?

the holy spirit is very specific to religion, which i wanted to stay away from in starting this thread. please start your own thread where you can discuss this.

[dreama1]

Well, people are naturally susceptible to believing in god. There is a region in the brain that is activated with some type of supernatural experience. Because of several cognitive biases, including confirmation bias or cognitive dissonance, most of our day to day decisions are wholly irrational - eating junk food, smoking or praying to god.

Next time you meet someone religious, ask them to imagine if they were born in another country to another family, would they believe in the same god? Most of them can't answer this question and because of the above biases will stop any sort of critical thinking from occurring. I always wondered why people say that several religions can coexist, which is in direct conflict with much of their own dogma. Note some religions don't have deities per se.

[radditsu]

Originally Posted by Raavak [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

And I totally don't like how the God of the Old Testament ordered the Jewish to slaughter all those people in Canaan and stuff. It doesn't sit right with me either.

Maybe I'm a heretic, but I think Moses and the leaders after him made that crap up, then put it in the Bible. But then again, with string theory and all that, I think God is larger and more complex than a human can ever even begin to understand, and a lot of what we have is just filtered down through puny, imperfect, and corruptible human minds to be written into the Book.

But as a Freemason, I believe that God's word is still there. Its just that it takes a lot of wisdom to decipher it.

Well arent you a large sack of shit made into a shithead pie!

[NextGenesis88]

I quit during the god expansion.