ASOIAF / Game of Thrones (SPOILERS INSIDE)

[Dalven]

Lol, my forum questing is too casual to keep up with this. Brace yourselves for a long assed post.

Originally Posted by Sidelle [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm starting to wonder if Gendry will turn out to be Azor Ahai and Dany will be his Nissa Nissa. I wasn't too sure about your Dany/sacrifice theory, Sirken, but some of the clues might just fit. I spent some time today reading both the Lightbringer Prophecy and the chapter in ACoK with Dany in the House of the Undying Ones. Here are a few simple observations:

Azor Ahai forged Lightbringer himself. Gendry is a skilled blacksmith. He makes the steel "sing". (Btw, couldn't the sound Lightbringer would make during forging be what's behind the title: A Song of Ice and Fire? Maybe I'm reaching a little, will have to think more about this..) But doesn't it seem likely that when AA comes again he would need to have smithing skill?

One of the prophesies from the Undying Ones refers to "A blue-eyed king who casts no shadow raises a red sword in his hand." Gendry has blue eyes. Jon Snow's are grey.

I honestly can't remember if anyone else has talked about the Gendry theory in this thread...

I had more to post about Aegon and Dany but I gotta run for now. Let me know if you wanna discuss anything else from the House of the Undying Ones later.

Hey pal! Personally I'm in agreement with Sirken about Gendry - will most likely end up continuing the Baratheon line in some form or another. Also being in with Stoneheart's crew means he'll be keeping some bad ass company at the moment.

With regards to the blue eyed king part of the prophecy I had thought this was a reference to Stannis; the lack of shadows referring to the "shadow babies" he's had out killing Renly and Penrose and the red sword referring to his false Lightbringer. Prophecies from the House of the Undying seem to pan out, on a reread catching the detail about Dany seeing a bloody corpse with a wolf's head was a nice tip to the Red Wedding.

Originally Posted by Sidelle [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

About Aegon. I just have this feeling that he's legit and that would make him the prince that was promised. When Dany was in the House of the Undying she saw a scene with Rhaegar and his wife, right after Aegon was born. He definitely proclaims his newborn son the prince that was promised.

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As for Melisadre thinking maybe Jon is possibly Azor Ahai: I dunno. She seems like too much of a charlatan to me, even if she does get some of her predictions right. Plus, I don't think it's Jon because of the subtle clues; like him having the wrong eye color, for one.

Fair enough, but like I saide before I'm all in with Aegon being a Blackfyre [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] Rhaegar himself was prematurely/wrongly thought to be the PtwP so the Targaryen's have been known to jump the gun with these declarations. The fact that he went with Lyanna perhaps meant that Rhaegar himself later had his doubts and realised the Ice was missing, or was merely seeking the third head due to Elia's sickly state.

As far as Melisandre goes she doesn't think she's a charlaton but as we glean from her PoV she is actually a lot less confident in her interpretations than she lets on but pushes on for the sake of the cause. She doesn't even click that Jon could be AA - she even wonders about the fact that when she tries to call up visions of AA she keeps seeing Jon's face.

Originally Posted by Sidelle [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I forgot to mention Maester Aemon saying Dany is the PtwP. At best, it just seemed like he was speculating and wasn't fully coherant (?) while he was on his death bed. That's just my take on it.

Aegon has been wrong about this before, but Dany is certainly a better candidate than Rhaegor was.

Originally Posted by Sidelle [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I just realized I am assuming too much about Lightbringer here. Does it still exist somewhere? I need to read more. My thoughts on Gendry might make more sense if he actually had to forge the sword. Lol. Taking off tinfoil hat for now. Bedtime. It's been fun.

The theory on Dawn is pretty cool and fits in with Salladhor's version of the AA story.

Originally Posted by Sirken [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

or maybe a Martell? [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The thought did cross my mind but I couldn't see how the Martell's have impacted the Stark girls yet. Can still happen tho!

Originally Posted by Sirken [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

could give a PoV chapter to him? aside from that i could see davos, Asha, or Theon all having a chance to hit Greywater Watch as they are in the general vicinity.

Would certainly have to be the latter half of book 6 - Theon and Asha are up in Winterfell and I think its implied Davos is going to Skagos to try and retrieve Rickon. Of course once that Wall comes down there's gonna be a pretty quick exodus south for a lot of characters lol.

Originally Posted by Sirken [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

as far as PTWP infos, he song of ice and fire is said to be the prince that was promised's but the content remains unknown. the song of ice and fire is a subject of a prophecy and is eponymous for the A Song of Ice and Fire series.

At the House of the Undying, Daenerys Targaryen sees a man (Rhaegar Targaryen) and overhears him talking to a woman (Elia Martell) nursing a baby. "Aegon… What better name for a king… He is the prince that was promised, and his is the song of ice and fire"; When Rhaegar's eyes meet Daenerys's, he says either to her or Elia, "There must be one more… The dragon has three heads", and he picks up a silver harp and begins to play.

However, neither Daenerys nor Ser Jorah Mormont know what the song of ice and fire means. It is implied that there is a connection between the song, the promise, and Daenerys herself. This is established more clearly when Maester Aemon identifies Daenerys as the "prince" that was promised.

The phrase "ice and fire" is also mentioned in the Reeds' oath of loyalty to Bran Stark. The phrase "ice and fire" appears two more times in the books as an example of opposites. However, the song and the promise are never mentioned again, and the song itself remains a mystery.

personally i think the two horns (the dragon horn (fire) that Vic has, and the northern horn (ice) sam has) will play the song of ice and fire. and i think it will involve Dany and Jon, as well as whitewalkers and dragons.

as far as melisandre, i think shes the least capable red priest we've encountered, with Thoros being better than her, and Moqurro being #2 of the order, should be better than Thoros

and yes some people in westeros do know of AA, but not enough. it feels limited to Maesters, historians, and nerds like Sam that are balls deep in the old books. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Its the constant "Ice and Fire" theme that leads me away from Dany as fulfilling this role, as ultimately it is Jon who fits the Ice and Fire conditions best, as currently this is all we know about the PtwP prophecy. I'd imagine we'll find out a lot more about what the Maesters know when we get more time with Sam in Oldtown. Also, speaking of Maesters, Marwyn must be due to arrive in Meereen sometime soon.

That's as much as I can do just now. Try not to talk too much until tomorrow =/