Newsflash: <Doljonipals>

[Jaxon]

We realize that you won't come to terms with the rest of Class R. You've gone your own way and the consequence is that no one likes your guild. If you're still mystified on this point you're either stupid or obtuse.

[Fysts]

I find it amusing that r-class on several occasions blamed c-class for dictating raid rules, yet are now trying to dictate their own. Dojo is a r-class guild, they have every right to engage any r-class targer. Just because you have a rotation, does not give you the right to force it upon others, or you are no different than c-class. Guess you now have to prioritize your rotation target, and not ffa mobs first, or risk losing them, just as c-class does. Rock on dojo and gluck.

[chief]

competition is dead on this server doesnt this newb guild know this

[Nefarum]

Originally Posted by YendorLootmonkey [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

There are two groups of kids in the sandbox. One group wants to build sandcastles, another group wants to kick sandcastles down. They fight and fight and fight until finally the owner of the sandbox draws a line in the sand down the middle. One on side, you can kick down all the sandcastles you want. On the other side, you can build all the sandcastles you want without fear of having them kicked down. It is up to the inhabitants of the sandbox to decide which side of the line they want to play on.

Finally, the sandcastle kickers are left to kick their own sandcastles down and do whatever the fuck they want, while the sandcastle builders are left in peace to enjoy their side of the sandbox.

Until a new group of kids come in, seemingly completely oblivious to the history of play in the sandbox, and start kicking down sandcastles on the builder side just because "the server rules allow for it". And then the sandcastle builders who just finally got the opportunity to build sandcastles without having them kicked down are somehow the assholes?

I think you have a serious misconception of how the new raid rules are set up. They did not create the R tier for rotation-only. If that was the case then there would be a lot more rules and the the GMs would be enforcing rotation within the R tier. The new rules are designed from keeping the top guilds from monopolizing the whole server, and stop anyone really from the R tier from monopolizing raid mobs.

This is Everquest. There's limited mobs and no instances. Mobs can be competed for. For some people, that's part of the fun, especially now that there's 2 levels of competition to choose from.

Competing within the R tier isn't even stretching the rules or going against what was intended by the staff. The staff have never once said they want a rotation or would enforce a rotation. That's entirely a construct and desire of some of the guilds within the R tier. Sometimes people don't agree with you. That doesn't make them assholes.

Personally I don't even know what I'd prefer at this point, to be in a rotation or not. I'm not arguing for one or the other. I just think you people that are trying to impose your opinion on others and being shitty to people who don't agree with you are the ones in the wrong here.

And before you start coming out with bullshit arguments like "why don't you just go join the C tier?", you know full well a guild like Dolj isn't ready for that yet, so please don't come at me with assinine arguments like that.

[Fysts]

Oh and btw if the new raid rules were to dictate a rotation in r-class there would never have been a lockout rule. Put this in before you claimed the r-class was designed for rotation.

[Nefarum]

Originally Posted by Barahir [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The problem is that every guild in class R has gotten together and agreed to do a rotation.

Some of them, not every one. Once again, the opinions of some can't just be imposed on others.

[Nefarum]

Originally Posted by YendorLootmonkey [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That's what FFA mobs are for. Feel free to compete on them all you want.

You know full well, as does everyone, that FFA mobs are almost just C mobs essentially, because until a guild is at the point where they can compete with C guilds they have next to no chance on them.

Stop spewing bullshit arguments like this.

[Daldolma]

i support doljonimo's right to be stupid

[Bruman]

This Doljo guild sounds awesome, I cannot stand this new era of BDA getting more frequent kills, I think I need to be in Doljo so I can get back to what I'm more used to (nothing). Does Doljo accept former officers of BDA?

[YendorLootmonkey]

Originally Posted by Nefarum [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I think you have a serious misconception of how the new raid rules are set up. They did not create the R tier for rotation-only.

I know full well how the raid rules are set up. And I know that the rotation within Tier R is a player agreement. So when one guild doesn't respect that agreement, they are basically turning the rest of the guilds against them.

Either that is their intent and the rank and file members of the Dojo guild are okay with the shitty, uphill path their leaders are taking them on or they somehow didn't realize this would happen and they still have a chance to play nice with the rest of the guilds and enter the rotation agreement -- instead of kicking down sandcastles on the side of the sandbox on which it's easier for them to do.

I just find it particularly convenient that one guild doesn't want to play nice with what the rest of the guilds in Tier R have set up, and they seem to have Class C support, even after a raid agreement was decided on that gives Class C around 3-4 extra repops of Veeshan's Peak a month ALL TO THEMSELVES. Just seems fishy to me. I hope the devs launch a full investigation into how many Class C alts are in Dojo to skirt around the Class C/R restrictions, and guildban accordingly.