Here's your chance to influence LnS

[k9quaint]

Originally Posted by Koota [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You have, on more than one occasion in this thread, directed your posts or input purely with the guild you don't care for in mind. This is the kind of mentality that we are trying to get fucking rid of with the PnP to end all this bickering bullshit. I'm not exempting anyone in this statement but you are one of the reasons this kind of thread needs to be posted. This is a video game, drop the fucking gloves for a second and be an adult

You seem unable to differentiate between theory and action. Perhaps you have not read the whole thread as the discussion was constructive and meaningful.

I have never been warned nor suspended nor banned by a GM for behavior in game, nor have I engaged in any such behavior either intentionally or unintentionally. Nihilum began the last discussion about PnP with a blanket declaration that they would not participate (with predictable results from the GMs). This is fact and I can quote the relevant posts if need be. If Nihilum wants to get on board with PnP this time around, then Nizzar can show up here and declare it to be so.

This rule set is simple and enforceable. The fact that it is contained in more than one paragraph will prove problematic for some, but I suspect they will not be missed if they act in ignorance of the rules.

[Koota]

Originally Posted by k9quaint [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You seem unable to differentiate between theory and action. Perhaps you have not read the whole thread as the discussion was constructive and meaningful.

I have never been warned nor suspended nor banned by a GM for behavior in game, nor have I engaged in any such behavior either intentionally or unintentionally. Nihilum began the last discussion about PnP with a blanket declaration that they would not participate (with predictable results from the GMs). This is fact and I can quote the relevant posts if need be. If Nihilum wants to get on board with PnP this time around, then Nizzar can show up here and declare it to be so.

This rule set is simple and enforceable. The fact that it is contained in more than one paragraph will prove problematic for some, but I suspect they will not be missed if they act in ignorance of the rules.

Tldr. My point stands. I could give two fucks about your infractions or others. This this thread isn't about either

[Herb9]

Originally Posted by Derubael [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You should see how many red dawn/azrael petitions I've ignored in the petition forum on Nihilum PnP violations for lack of evidence or clear rules lawyering. Want to know how many people I've punished for PnP violations? 2. And I watched both of those happen. Want to know how many red players I've banned from the forums? 1, tomatoking. So how am I abusing my position again...?

Corruption or incompetence, it's one or the other. You admit that you witnessed the occurrence first hand, so it's incompetence then. Because you ignored context. By ignoring context you show that you were trigger happy, and being trigger happy is a symptom of your ego.

A player was killed that doesn't even think his killer should have been banned, who was res'd back into the battle in violation of the rules, who looted up and appeared geared and part of the fight, who was killed by an aoe targeted at his teammates and 1 single melee swing.

That you missed all that and still feel comfortable handing out a ban, is disconcerting to say the least. That another player was suspended and 5 days later unsuspended for the same violation, shows your inconsistency, and lends credibility to the accusations of bias.

The prior statements about your ego and now asking for input are consistent within context as well, which you ignored again. The context is that you were spanked by someone higher up, leading you into reconsidering. That without that spanking, your ego would still be in control, and you would not be listening to input.

[COLGATETHEGRANDMASTER]

Originally Posted by Herb9 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Corruption or incompetence, it's one or the other. You admit that you witnessed the occurrence first hand, so it's incompetence then. Because you ignored context. By ignoring context you show that you were trigger happy, and being trigger happy is a symptom of your ego.

A player was killed that doesn't even think his killer should have been banned, who was res'd back into the battle in violation of the rules, who looted up and appeared geared and part of the fight, who was killed by an aoe targeted at his teammates and 1 single melee swing.

That you missed all that and still feel comfortable handing out a ban, is disconcerting to say the least. That another player was suspended and 5 days later unsuspended for the same violation, shows your inconsistency.

The prior statements about your ego and now asking for input are consistent within context as well, which you ignored again. The context is that you were spanked by someone higher up, leading you into reconsidering. That without that spanking, your ego would still be in control, and you would not be listening to input.

Care to reply and give more examples of you ignoring context?

wow you're a fucking retard

go back to updating your red99 blog with 2 kills every 3 weeks

faggot

[Koota]

Originally Posted by Gongshow [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

A step in the right direction, but this still seems confusing.

Can we just get a thing called "logical LNS"? This is where anything that EQ PVP encompasses, including bind rushing, rezzing, corpse camping to an extent, is allowed. Once one side calls LNS, the winning guild allows the losing guild to LNS and move along, and they agree to not contest that zone/mob for an hour.

This allows everyone to enjoy EQ PVP to the fullest, and also prevents anyone from getting corpse camped and having their evening ruined by being camped, etc. This also prevents bannings that harm the server population due to confusing rules. Bans should be saved for MQ and other stupid things, such as RL threats, GM attacks, etc.

Logical LNS 2014.

[Herb9]

Originally Posted by COLGATETHEGRANDMASTER [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

wow you're a fucking retard

go back to updating your red99 blog with 2 kills every 3 weeks

faggot

Don't be so mad I was a thing before anyone knew who you are.

You shouldn't derail a thread with your personal problems.

[runlvlzero]

We didn't permaban on railbait for friendly fire, unless the guy consistently got on every day and sniped his team mates, spamming frag grenades into the mid zone of a map wasn't ban worthy, we might kick that player 2-3 times a night. Usually once per match till they played good or left.

But that is the worst we did.

I think we need to outline some careful suspension/warnings in regards to LnS/PnP. As long as GM's can take action to stop greifing as it's happening, giving players a guidline to use, and stopping habitual harrasment, and encouraging pvp between large parties in dangerous zones it's serving it's purpose.

If things are escalating beyond pnp voilations to harrasment, than treat it as such. Don't worry bout PnP so much, use it as the GUIDELINE for SPORTSMANLIKE behavior it should be, and try to enforce it through warnings, suspensions (24-72hr). Unless it's like someone just seeing how far they can push it and this is the 20th time it's been reported by a unique individual.

That's how to be impartial and use it as a tool to help the server, vs a tool for meta-game grief. Because no one is perfect. And anything and everything can be abused and turned into a weapon at some point.

I like you Derubal, I trust you, but, you may not always be here either. Someone like me should be able to handle PnP violations as a guide/specialized PnP referee with compartmentalized access. And not worry bout stepping into big daddy banhammer territory/toes or infuriating the playerbase on a case by case basis.

[Agatha]

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[runlvlzero]

Originally Posted by Agatha [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

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your humor is noted, but this thread is important and for the discussion of pvp, copypaste and and or quote my post and troll it in another forum.

[Derubael]

Originally Posted by Herb9 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That you missed all that and still feel comfortable handing out a ban, is disconcerting to say the least. That another player was suspended and 5 days later unsuspended for the same violation, shows your inconsistency.

Not punished by me, nor was the punishment lifted by me. Also, two different situations. One was against the rules, the other was not.

The prior statements about your ego and now asking for input are consistent within context as well, which you ignored again. The context is that you were spanked by someone higher up, leading you into reconsidering. That without that spanking, your ego would still be in control, and you would not be listening to input.

lol@this. Nobody on staff has even commented on PnP or LnS public or private except me. I feel change is wanted and needed by and for the playerbase. But everyone can go ahead and continue calling me an evil, banhappy tyrant on their non-banned forum and player accounts, because I don't believe in banning people for voicing their opinion against me, my policies, or my calls.

Care to reply and give more examples of you ignoring context?

naw, cause you don't even know what you're talking about. Keep on assuming bullshit, and be happy that I don't do the same or half this server would be banned.