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Old 01-17-2014, 04:41 PM
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Yes, and this is the way it works in real life.

If you have 2 people on trial for theft, one with a clean record, and one with multiple convictions, the guy with multiple convictions is going to jail and the guy with a clean record is probably getting a fine.

Not commenting on Tune's situation in particular, but this response by Supreme makes no sense.
If 2 people are on trial for theft that means that a grand jury felt there was sufficient evidence for the charge of theft to go to trial for BOTH defendants.

Punishment is not discretionary or arbitrary unless the defendants plea agreement specifies an alternative. Typically if you have committed a felonious act and have been found guilty by a jury of your peers the punishment is mandated by statutes.

The matter of guilt and punishment based on previous guilt or convictions will likely end up in appeals. As the decisions of guilt was not based on presented evidence for the current charge but bias because of previous history.

Ergo Witch Trial..where speculation, half truths and rumor mongering led to the deaths of women without due process or appeal.

Therefore what we have going on is a clear attempt by a biased judiciary to eliminate specific players to promote their own agenda.

Yes i know it may be hard for you to follow...but if you actually took the time to understand how the American Judicial system worked then your understanding of the logic behind its design would be clear.
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Old 01-17-2014, 04:45 PM
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Tune should known that X+B=C bro. Move on.
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Old 01-17-2014, 04:45 PM
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Old 01-17-2014, 05:22 PM
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Tune should known that X+B=C bro. Move on.
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Old 01-17-2014, 05:24 PM
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please remove red99 it is the most toxic troll community in tmo; this confirms it
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Old 01-17-2014, 05:25 PM
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Love all the Tune tears.
Break rules, get banned.
End of story.
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Old 01-17-2014, 05:32 PM
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In this case there was an admission of guilt, so there was no bias on the conviction. We didn't even need to make this determination on our own, it was handed to us by the defendant. Your entire post, Supreme, is invalid and does not even apply to this situation, except perhaps in your note about an appeals court, as all appeals on Project 1999 are done through the GM's, who also give convictions as well as sentencing, which differs from real life. Welcome to the server, we hope you enjoy playing here.

Yes, I know it may be hard for you to follow, but you obviously did not understand the situation at hand, and are once again making another post that makes no sense. We do not have statutes on Project 1999 determining punishment, and in the real world there are many states who only impose mandatory minimum sentences for most crimes. Thanks for trying to sound intelligent, it's been fun.




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Disclaimer by Derubael: Admittedly not necessarily the best source for reference (IE, the internet), but fairly accurate in terms of sentencing. There are some state and federal criminal laws that proscribe "mandatory sentences" or "mandatory minimum sentences." If a criminal defendant is found guilty of one of these crimes, the judge is restricted by law to impose a mandatory sentence, or a mandatory minimum sentence. The laws that set out mandatory sentences are put in place by state legislatures and the U.S. Congress.

However, there are only a few laws on the books that have mandatory sentences. In most situations, judges are allowed to take in a number of considerations when determining a sentence for a convicted criminal defendant. For example, judges are often allowed to consider a defendant's criminal history, the circumstances under which the crime was committed (did the defendant steal for the fun of it, or did he steal because he needed to put food on the table for his kids?), and whether the defendant genuinely feels remorse about his or her actions.

- See more at: http://criminal.findlaw.com/criminal....EPXEKQ8j.dpuf

Keep in mind that if you have prior convictions or criminal punishments on your record, the sentence that is put down in a book may not be the punishment you would get. Judges frequently add enhancements to sentences when the convicted has a criminal record. - See more at: http://criminal.findlaw.com/criminal....EPXEKQ8j.dpuf

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EDIT: Now I feel dumb, I just reread the first post i responded to by Supreme, and noticed he said guilt instead of punishment.

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By this reasoning...every time you face disciplinary action all of your previous faults, accusations, hearsay and convictions should factor into the determination of guilt.
No, prior convictions should not affect the determination of guilt, but it absolutely should affect punishment.
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Old 01-17-2014, 05:34 PM
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In this case there was an admission of guilt, so there was no bias on the conviction. We didn't even need to make this determination on our own, it was handed to us by the defendant. Your entire post, Supreme, is invalid and does not even apply to this situation, except perhaps in your note about an appeals court, as all appeals on Project 1999 are done through the GM's, who also give convictions as well as sentencing, which differs from real life. Welcome to the server, we hope you enjoy playing here.

Yes, I know it may be hard for you to follow, but you obviously did not understand the situation at hand, and are once again making another post that makes no sense. We do not have statutes on Project 1999 determining punishment, and in the real world there are many states who only impose mandatory minimum sentences for most crimes. Thanks for trying to sound intelligent, it's been fun.
X+Y=B SUPREME DUH
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Old 01-17-2014, 05:35 PM
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Old 01-17-2014, 06:07 PM
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In this case there was an admission of guilt, so there was no bias on the conviction. We didn't even need to make this determination on our own, it was handed to us by the defendant. Your entire post, Supreme, is invalid and does not even apply to this situation, except perhaps in your note about an appeals court, as all appeals on Project 1999 are done through the GM's, who also give convictions as well as sentencing, which differs from real life. Welcome to the server, we hope you enjoy playing here.

Yes, I know it may be hard for you to follow, but you obviously did not understand the situation at hand, and are once again making another post that makes no sense. We do not have statutes on Project 1999 determining punishment, and in the real world there are many states who only impose mandatory minimum sentences for most crimes. Thanks for trying to sound intelligent, it's been fun.







EDIT: Now I feel dumb, I just reread the first post i responded to by Supreme, and noticed he said guilt instead of punishment.



No, prior convictions should not affect the determination of guilt, but it absolutely should affect punishment.
how have I admitted to anything?

no one will even tell me the specific charges against me

or the punishment x, for reasons x
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