New Raid Rules question - how would "unguilded" pickup raids be handled?

[JayN]

Originally Posted by Erati [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

if your alt is well geared with magic resist gear and levels, willing to attend raids/earn DKP and go through the recruit period to successfully voted in then if you are really sneaky and good at covering your tracks you are welcome to app :P

is this a personal opinion or official stance? [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

thinking their are people already doing this and about to do this (if it is ok); it would be nice to know if theyll be punished for doing so.

[fastboy21]

Originally Posted by falkun [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I say "might" because CSR never posted punishments, only that you "may not" do it. If you get caught, punishment is TBD. I'm not CSR, so I'm not attempting to answer what the punishment will be. However, the rule is the rule, enforcement gets into rules lawyering. Asking about "might" is asking about the enforcement, not the rule.

I see what you are saying here, and it makes sense.

The reason I think it will come up is that I recall often on live, especially in velious, that small teams from top guilds would frequently help less capable/smaller guilds out for fun on many targets. The issue is going to come up.

[falkun]

Then help them after the 6-hr period. Or help them on an FFA spawn. FFA is FFA. But the rules already spell out what can and cannot be done during C and R spawns. That's what FFA is, free for ALL. All is everyone, everyone can attempt them (within the PNP).

[Erati]

Originally Posted by JayN [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

is this a personal opinion or official stance? [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

thinking their are people already doing this and about to do this (if it is ok); it would be nice to know if theyll be punished for doing so.

well kind of like the military's "Don't Ask, Don't Tell"

As long as you are not blabbing on and on about your other characters and can lead successful 'double' lives without either life crossing paths then I don't see this as a major problem. However as soon as people find you out, I am sure there would be problems as joining a guild should be about joining a community/family, not about finding a place to gear up your alt because of the raid rules.

[fadetree]

Originally Posted by Aaron [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

After enough people eat a 6 week ban, or something similar, it will begin to work better.

Well, really I was commenting more on the difficulty of monitoring this kind of activity, not really whether people would 'do the right thing' or not, because we know that answer.

How are the devs supposed to monitor all this?

[JayN]

Originally Posted by Erati [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

well kind of like the military's "Don't Ask, Don't Tell"

As long as you are not blabbing on and on about your other characters and can lead successful 'double' lives without either life crossing paths then I don't see this as a major problem. However as soon as people find you out, I am sure there would be problems as joining a guild should be about joining a community/family, not about finding a place to gear up your alt because of the raid rules.

So it is officially ok then?

Originally Posted by fadetree [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Well, really I was commenting more on the difficulty of monitoring this kind of activity, not really whether people would 'do the right thing' or not, because we know that answer.

How are the devs supposed to monitor all this?

That really is the fundamental question isnt it; especially if they are to remain hands off

[YendorLootmonkey]

Originally Posted by fadetree [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Well, really I was commenting more on the difficulty of monitoring this kind of activity, not really whether people would 'do the right thing' or not, because we know that answer.

How are the devs supposed to monitor all this?

They only have to monitor it once, then slap the offending guild with a 8-week ban. Will never happen again.

[YendorLootmonkey]

Originally Posted by JayN [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

is this a personal opinion or official stance? [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

thinking their are people already doing this and about to do this (if it is ok); it would be nice to know if theyll be punished for doing so.

This is one great example of why there's not enough pixels to go around in the first place. Get all your toons in one guild, play them as main/alts accordingly. Stop the pixel greed trying to have a main in each raid guild, stop the subterfuge.

[Sarius]

Originally Posted by YendorLootmonkey [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

They only have to monitor it once, then slap the offending guild with a 8-week ban. Will never happen again.

Eight weeks without pixels would completely annihilate a lot a guilds

[JayN]

Originally Posted by YendorLootmonkey [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This is one great example of why there's not enough pixels to go around in the first place. Get all your toons in one guild, play them as main/alts accordingly. Stop the pixel greed trying to have a main in each raid guild, stop the subterfuge.

So everyone from here on out must be a casual and in one guild if they want to raid?


need some official rulings here