Questions for Chest/BDA and others

[radditsu]

There is a post scarcity star trek argument here somewhere. I dont feel like hashing it out. Pretend I madea 100 line response on the subject.

[hatelore]

Originally Posted by baalzy [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Accidental train that interrupts another mobilized forces ability to engage = that persons guild forfeits engage rights on that mob for 1 hour.

Not a full on raid suspension, they just need to port out, clear their way back in and hope nobody kills it within an hour.

That's actually a very good. Only 1 problem though... With that rule, TMO would never get kills ;( Which makes it very unfair.

[Raavak]

Originally Posted by Hitpoint [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Everyone should just take this path, it's actually the best.

If Hand is camped you can go all the way west and then hang a right to find the pit and not see a mob. Its the people who turn north down the first hallway on top that always seem to catch aggro.

Or people could just stop and solo/duo/trio the mobs... they aren't that hard if there's not a big train of them.

[Raavak]

Originally Posted by hatelore [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That's actually a very good. Only 1 problem though... With that rule, TMO would never get kills ;( Which makes it very unfair.

I know you think you're being funny, but TMO hardly has a monopoly on players accidentally causing trains. I'd say its spread pretty evenly. I just hope that after all this that people make better attempts to not train so we can have fun raids and not "omfg more mobs" raids.

[Hailto]

Autotune very obviously trying to set himself up for BDA membership once he gets his necro to 60. How the mighty have fallen.

[radditsu]

Originally Posted by quido [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

says the paladin!

What's a paladin?

[Bruman]

Originally Posted by Autotune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I plan to make my own guild actually.

Laters BDA!

[hatelore]

Originally Posted by Nirgon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I really want to see BDA or other T2 guilds charge into fear on a full repop then charge CT and win.



Want to see BDA take this fool down after next patch. I'm basically 100% sure, but its just something I want to see... not for the same reason as above.




2 isn't enough? He's kind of a top tier Kunark mob ya know :P.



Here's a great mob for the "mains without epics" debate. But yeah give this guy and Faydedar a fucking rest, seriously.



Except you can't eat all the cake... the mobs respawn every month. There will be more "cake" coming every month and you get a real shot at them. I agree I would never except BDA/Taken to TRUELY contest TMO/FE in the mobs per month club... so I think its healthy for the server to make these changes especially with repop days being factored into the equation.

But I also find it BORING and WASTEFUL for some rule to be made that no one at all can touch something unless they are a specific guild, and it can be killed whenever they finally get people on to kill it / without tracking it.... it will turn into the more dedicated players tracking for you and trying to get you to kill it as soon as possible so it doesn't start shaving hours going into the # of mobs that can effectively spawn in a year. Worse, this is dangerously close to "instancing" content except your instanced dragon is free to roam the dreadlands and grief newbies while you figure out what night of the week you guys actually feel like killing it:

"Friday night work for you?"
"Naw I got karate class... how about Saturday?"
"Naw you know I can't raid Saturdays..."
"Well how about Monday?"
"Well this Monday I have to play cards with my grandparents"

I'm generalizing the above but this isn't the kind of shit you pulled in EQ and got raid loot. It shouldn't be here either. Lots of guilds will have trouble killing certain mobs (big time in Velious and I'm looking ahead) if certain members can't make it like their "casual" main tank that farmed enough fungis to buy a cobalt bp etc. Mobs getting left up until a certain guild can finally get enough certain people on is just absolutely stupid.

Truth of the matter I think that the previously agreed upon raid rules were a solution and a compromise. Btw a compromise means you will also probably really not like parts of it. A compromise doesn't mean you like everything about it so you will agree to it. A compromise means things are better than they were before for you even though you aren't getting exactly what you want. Look up the definition of compromise.

As far as "now there's gonna be more trains and petitions with having to clear down" etc? If you are a guild that habitually has trouble clearing down, wipes/trains/makes a mess? Maybe you shouldn't be part of the rotation on that mob? Maybe you can't handle your shit and shouldn't try to race as fast as the better guild? I already know what people on both sides will do if the other team is looking like they will get to the mob first. They will recklessly charge through and try to aoe things down or just mez them and try to FTE the boss (look how CT is done now... and actually with surprising success). I would hope when Trak does spawn the players in the zone are warned that raid guilds will be charging down there like wild Indians and they are intelligent enough to yield until the chaos clears.

Sometimes I truely wonder if you have ever raided on p99. BDA actually had no problem competing with tmo, and you do realize a good portion of fe are old bda right?

The problem bda had with raiding against tmo was: we didn't wish to continue to compete against a guild that trained,cheated and griefed at every opportunity against us on the raid scene. Loot is just not that important.

Sometimes your posts are insightful. Other times, you really sound pretty clueless as to the "happenings" in the p99 raid scene.

[radditsu]

Originally Posted by hatelore [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Sometimes I truely wonder if you have ever raided on p99. BDA actually had no problem competing with tmo, and you do realize a good portion of fe are old bda right?

The problem bda had with raiding against tmo was: we didn't wish to continue to compete against a guild that trained,cheated and griefed at every opportunity against us on the raid scene. Loot is just not that important.

Sometimes your posts are insightful. Other times, you really sound pretty clueless as to the "happenings" in the p99 raid scene.

Truth

[quido]

TMO never intentionally griefed BDA, and I'm positive that BDA caused more trains in the races we shared. Stop being such a pussy with excuses, Hatelore. If you don't want to compete on that level, that's your prerogative, but to blame TMO for you not taking initiative is a pathetic cop-out.