Re: Raid Situation

[Joroz]

It's real hard to determine who is whining/crying more between hardcore raiders and casuals, someone should make a poll. My guess is hardcore raiders atm but it might weighted by a few people that have a lot more tears than the rest.

[chickmagnet]

what stops those casual guilds from raiding areas during the mobs window for a chance of spawn, beyond contrary belief every tmo/fe/ib do not have all their characters with epics....I see your standpoint, but these guilds aren't even trying, how often do you see them tracking, im not saying for entire spawn, at least to check if is up? the point of my argument is that im trying to encourage them to put forth the effort of making this a more competitive game.....if rotations were to be done, that would kill off tracking...people would join guilds with better reputations or where their friends are and guilds would get away with loot council on everything to gear up officers or friends before community, dkp shows merit and the value a member puts forth for their guild....and god forbid, A-Team would have their epics

[Arteker]

Originally Posted by Frieza_Prexus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The point is that the terms casual and hardcore are relative, but the level of effort invested has not changed from live to P99.

The average P99 hardcore would be among the most elite of EQ Live players in terms of dedication. The average hardcore on live would fall somewhere between tier 1 and 2 on P99. P99 casuals are generally at the same level of effort and activity as many of the hardcores of EQ live. For the amount of effort that many Tier 2 guilds on p99 spend, they would have achieved reasonably regular boss kills back on EQ Live. P99 strives to recreate the average classic experience (which is actually somewhat difficult given the differences between the various live servers). The resulting gestalt should, invariably, include a scenario wherein the casuals (BY P99 STANDARDS) see boss kills every now and then.

The amount of effort by Tier 2's here would result in some kills on live. Thus, a classic server will strive to enable that expectation on a reasonable basis. Categorical exclusion from all boss encounters is not classic.

Different ages, its very easy to claim it now , try it back then with no strat leaks , no tricks, no ventrilo......

list can go to infinitum.

while i dont deny casuals should see boss up and ATTEMP() and i hope they win , i dont want anyone to wipe and have a cr imo i want to know what happen with the other side of the coin.


is the eternal conflictand one of the main reason gaming industry have turned into wow style . this server mechanics try to replicate the everquest we had back then but either we are the same persons , either its the same for everyone as every server in everquest was a different universe.



How u balance it? i got no fucking clue .last proposal tried to appeal both sides and it failed due to the boycott of a a side of the server.

at the very end its a Rogean decision , either he nail it and make everyone happy or he pick a side or just shut down the server in angry at the pure mess casuals and raider are doing .


We gotta realize one thing, at some point even if velious hit , population will get tired of the server, everyone will have alot of high lvl chars and other raid or not raid , but the server have the risk to be stagnant . as it happeend to eqmac.

[Joroz]

Originally Posted by chickmagnet [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

but these guilds aren't even trying

Did you see any mobs left up while tmo was suspended? A lot of guilds got into the action.

[chickmagnet]

nah, my 86 accounts were suspended....lol

[Frieza_Prexus]

Originally Posted by Metallikus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

so what he's saying here is that tier 2 guilds should not be excluded from participation in VP and therefore some sort of lockout or rotation system should take place there as well.

Don't twist my words for your own agenda.

[Ciroco]

Originally Posted by Joroz [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Did you see any mobs left up while tmo was suspended? A lot of guilds got into the action.

He thinks T2 guilds don't use DKP; pretty sure he lives in a bubble.

[Ciroco]

Originally Posted by Arteker [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Ukinda forgot casuals low levels players whined cried because they got excluded at first from zones like pov,bot, hoh.... in planes of power.

They won although they spend months crying because it was impossible for them finish the old trials and get flaged .

Flags weren't removed until PoP was no longer current, if I remember correctly. Regardless, people on Live whined because content was too hard. People here are whining because not enough content is available. I'm not sure it's an equal comparison.

[Arteker]

Originally Posted by Joroz [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Did you see any mobs left up while tmo was suspended? A lot of guilds got into the action.

when there is no competition joroz , im the first to admit the hugue delay in velious have a impact in how the server developed.

i mean is very easy to blame , ib, tmo fe and bda in the end the truth this clusterfuck is due to lack of new things to people.


A prime example of this is my own guild tmo, at some point we lacked competition (wich started when tmo was FE and tmo was ib)and we turned into farm mode , people got bored and they levelñed alts, those alts of course are even more fun if they twink, so loot went to alts.
slowly guild decays but since remains realy uncontested guild get bloated(tmo never stoped to recruit, something hurted back in the IB).

Time pass and my guild only joy is competition if u look at the uncontested period pre FE tmo didint even half the strengh it had prior the froovy dupe and the following suspension.

suddenly FE rises and TMO is again in full road , good or bad the truth that kind of things keep the guild in motion.


whats the problem?FE suddenly have to deal and compete with alot of alts with good gear raid and motivated people , so its not like the TMO/IB first raid contest.


yes there is drama there is shit btw 2 guilds , im the first to admit i bashed people like tasslehoff and other FE members... list goes on.


but the thruth is suddenly we got cornered and when suspension was lifted fe ib tmo whre sittin at vp doors in a new scenario of competition, how it would have worked?.

i got no idea would have been fun to dicover once the 3 guild zoned into vp.


Now the drama is wich direction is the server rogean going to take . because there will be a fallout whatever rogean decision takes.

[chickmagnet]

I think Rogean as well as the other Devs encourage competition and would like to see more guilds competing, they just don't like to see the server being dominated, they hate the idea of rotation, because rotation isn't classic...every guild could log their main at a zone in while mob is in window and log on alt to play in meantime, I doubt they need to max lvl 60 out in groups...only takes 1 person to get FTE on mob, I don't care how VP decked out you are....prime example is nobles, every week, 100+ people ready to engage