Re: Raid Situation

[Uteunayr]

Originally Posted by Razdeline [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The simple word solution to the problem is=

No one will ever get what they want. When BDA wants more, others will suffer. When BDA wants less(which clearly hasn't been conveyed at all), other guilds get more.

As Sirken has stated 1097978 times, no one will like any given solution, just pick something that is fair for everyone. Agree to the raid rules the staff put together yesterday, and build onto it through discussion. Not that hard.

BDA has shown a willingness to cooperate and share benefits, not to monopolize them. So, BDA wants more for the casuals so that a fair system is instituted, and the hardcores suffer in that they only get 3 mobs a day to compete over all month.

Originally Posted by Hitpoint [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

And they aren't discussed seriously anymore. FE original plan is gone, so are sloan's plans, so is Sirken and Derubael's plans. Rogean was the worst one that was ever proposed for T1. As soon as it was posted we had a forum post on our boards basically agreeing that it was one of the worst one's we've seen. In guild chat it was pretty unanimous. As far as I can tell, Rogean's plan is still being discussed because it's posted in a section where you can't see the overwhelming disgust for it. Only designated officers can post there, and they are trying to maintain composure.

The Staff plan originally was bad only to the extent that T1 had to split their mobs, and them compete over their half of the pie (excluding VP, which is another third of the pie).

The Adjusted Staff plan that was posted here by Chest after a conversation between a number of people including Autotune, Chest, myself, and others in another thread the night before the crash, is that the epic mobs (which were the central nasty feature for the T1 guilds) would have a 33% split, going Tier 1 -> Tier 2 -> FFA. This allows for Tier 2 players to compete with Tier 1 players once every 3 weeks, and if they choose not to compete, they will accept getting 1 per 3 weeks, while Tier 1 gets 2 per 3 weeks on the epic mobs.

The central feature, and the reason why an adjusted plan was proposed to offer a compromise to the Tier 1 guilds is that this allows for (which no other plan to date that has been proposed has allowed for) casuals to play casuals all month long, and for hardcores to play hardcore all month long. This means that hardcores never have to deal with petty rotations, dealing with BDA/Taken/Divinity/every other more casual guild, and that the reverse is true. It lets each play in the atmosphere that is classic to them. And if they want to get a greater share of epic mobs, while maintaining an even split of the regular raid mobs, and having access to VP, then they would go into it knowingly accepting that they will be playing in a hardcore style.

[Joroz]

Originally Posted by Obrae [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I don't raid, i chat and rez people.

I don't make the rules on this server and i will certainly not freak out of one of its staff goes into a frenzy fro whatever reason. They are bias and influenced by many factors and i am not gonna try to understand them. Nor be naive and beleive no money comes out of this whole "free" server business. I am just glad they had the ability to make this place work.

But what i said is true and i see dragons staying up all the time if TMO or FE don't go after them. havent been on lately but i guess it's the same with IB getting involved more.

There is no shortage of people that will go after mobs.... just a shortage of those that think a mob needs to die within 2 minutes of its spawn time and will do anything to make that happen. And that small % of the server wants 100% of the targets.

[Rhambuk]

Originally Posted by khanable [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_ratio

http://www.goldennumber.net/life-design/

has photo applications to peoples faces/human body/dolphins/seashells

its just a universally applicable ratio

[Nune]

Originally Posted by Obrae [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I don't raid, i chat and rez people.

I don't make the rules on this server and i will certainly not freak out of one of its staff goes into a frenzy fro whatever reason. They are bias and influenced by many factors and i am not gonna try to understand them. Nor be naive and beleive no money comes out of this whole "free" server business. I am just glad they had the ability to make this place work.

But what i said is true and i see dragons staying up all the time if TMO or FE don't go after them. havent been on lately but i guess it's the same with IB getting involved more.

Well, we certainly know where money came out at some point (YOUR GUILD?). The amount of bullshit the staff endures is probably 1000x what they "make" in donations. (You realize power, and keeping servers up, things of that nature arent free right? There are these things called bills, and away from the elf simulator it requires green paper things to pay for these. Elf simulator fans call these donations)

I like some of your guild, but your post is just in the nature of why your tag is despised these days. Assuming things are the same because YOU havent been on lately to see if they actually are or not, when 30 seconds of reading threads would indicate the past 2 weeks have been a substantial change in the raid scene. Oddly enough, those 2 weeks were absent of a certain guild. You guys are so immersed you act like a dragon being up for 15 minutes is some sort of treachery lmao. Ohhh naaaooo one less Trak BP to auction in EC to add to the stockpile of shit you'll never even go through by the time Velious is out and the said gear becomes trivial. My guild hasnt been raid capable until very recently, and the reason those dragons were up, was because most of the "T2" guilds dont park alts at every raid / have human beings slaving away at stareatwallquest so they can pop a dragon the SECOND it spawns. People just gave up, and the ones who didn't became a problem. I know where my kin stand in that statement, where do yours?

[chickmagnet]

You guys can whine all you want about what is fair and do calculations and even petition to GMs over the easiest/fairest way to do things.....but simply, this is how its going to turn out....so take notes....44 mobs? 9+ guilds want a piece? WRONG! u got 5 whiny guilds who don't do anything to try to get them, there are usually 4-5 trackers at a target's window at any given time, what do you know, those are usually the 4-5 guilds who actually get the kill....its surprising isn't it? they rotated and put in the time, and got the kill...I applaud guilds like Taken for camping out at Innoruuk to get kill, kudos to them...that's a whole guild effort to snag and monopolize a mob, unfortunately if camp out policy proceeds, will put u guys back to Ragefire...

[Arteker]

Originally Posted by Nune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Well, we certainly know where money came out at some point (YOUR GUILD?). The amount of bullshit the staff endures is probably 1000x what they "make" in donations. (You realize power, and keeping servers up, things of that nature arent free right? There are these things called bills, and away from the elf simulator it requires green paper things to pay for these. Elf simulator fans call these donations)

I like some of your guild, but your post is just in the nature of why your tag is despised these days. Assuming things are the same because YOU havent been on lately to see if they actually are or not, when 30 seconds of reading threads would indicate the past 2 weeks have been a substantial change in the raid scene. Oddly enough, those 2 weeks were absent of a certain guild. You guys are so immersed you act like a dragon being up for 15 minutes is some sort of treachery lmao. Ohhh naaaooo one less Trak BP to auction in EC to add to the stockpile of shit you'll never even go through by the time Velious is out and the said gear becomes trivial. My guild hasnt been raid capable until very recently, and the reason those dragons were up, was because most of the "T2" guilds dont park alts at every raid / have human beings slaving away at stareatwallquest so they can pop a dragon the SECOND it spawns. People just gave up, and the ones who didn't became a problem. I know where my kin stand in that statement, where do yours?

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[Nune]

Originally Posted by Nune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Well, we certainly know where money came out at some point (YOUR GUILD?). The amount of bullshit the staff endures is probably 1000x what they "make" in donations. (You realize power, and keeping servers up, things of that nature arent free right? There are these things called bills, and away from the elf simulator it requires green paper things to pay for these. Elf simulator fans call these donations)

I like some of your guild, but your post is just in the nature of why your tag is despised these days. Assuming things are the same because YOU havent been on lately to see if they actually are or not, when 30 seconds of reading threads would indicate the past 2 weeks have been a substantial change in the raid scene. Oddly enough, those 2 weeks were absent of a certain guild. You guys are so immersed you act like a dragon being up for 15 minutes is some sort of treachery lmao. Ohhh naaaooo one less Trak BP to auction in EC to add to the stockpile of shit you'll never even go through by the time Velious is out and the said gear becomes trivial. My guild hasnt been raid capable until very recently, and the reason those dragons were up, was because most of the "T2" guilds dont park alts at every raid / have human beings slaving away at stareatwallquest so they can pop a dragon the SECOND it spawns. People just gave up, and the ones who didn't became a problem. I know where my kin stand in that statement, where do yours?

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[Nune]

Originally Posted by chickmagnet [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You guys can whine all you want about what is fair and do calculations and even petition to GMs over the easiest/fairest way to do things.....but simply, this is how its going to turn out....so take notes....44 mobs? 9+ guilds want a piece? WRONG! u got 5 whiny guilds who don't do anything to try to get them, there are usually 4-5 trackers at a target's window at any given time, what do you know, those are usually the 4-5 guilds who actually get the kill....its surprising isn't it? they rotated and put in the time, and got the kill...I applaud guilds like Taken for camping out at Innoruuk to get kill, kudos to them...that's a whole guild effort to snag and monopolize a mob, unfortunately if camp out policy proceeds, will put u guys back to Ragefire...

you left out the part where angry nerds then train raids etc etc. Because this whole situation wasn't brought on by toxic, lifeless players trying to "monopolize" mobs they dont need. It was brought on by "a lack of effort"

Effort, being used in relation to a video game. Lol, the world must be scary where the bright sky thing shines and metal wheel box inventions zoom by

[chickmagnet]

im sorry, I must have forgot that part! which example do you have of them training sir?

[arsenalpow]

Originally Posted by chickmagnet [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

im sorry, I must have forgot that part! which example do you have of them training sir?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vr7MZr9bnuk

just fazlazen, TMO officer