PNP clarification please

[Tubzy]

I'm kind of confused on this stuff too. Here's some questions I have:

1. Can someone just follow you while you're LNSing and kill you in the next zone and then the next zone and basically get you banned from multiple zones + still corpse camp you?

2. WHat if you're binded to a zone that you got in with help from others and can't get out without dying what do you do?

3. Can you gate or self buff or ANYTHING at all or is walking away the only way to not get killed again?

4. If someone has multiple alts and you kill him and make him LNS and he just logs on other alts to keep fighting you you just have to beat him 5x and if he beats you even once and you have no alts you gotta bounce?

5. Already asked but if someone just logs on once an hour to kill you and then logs off because they just want to grief you and keep you out of a zone for the lulz do you still have to abide by the rules?

It seems to me there is a lot of ways to still not play nice in the play nice policies. There's even ways to grief people harder than ever before. Although it makes raiding a lot simpler it seems to open the doors for lowbies to get griefed extra hard by twinks.

[Elderan]

1. Can someone just follow you while you're LNSing and kill you in the next zone and then the next zone and basically get you banned from multiple zones + still corpse camp you?

This in fact true. As soon as you leave the LNS zone you are free game.

2. WHat if you're binded to a zone that you got in with help from others and can't get out without dying what do you do?

You must camp then.

3. Can you gate or self buff or ANYTHING at all or is walking away the only way to not get killed again?

Gate is allowed. You are not supposed to buff yourself, but I think most people would be ok with sowing yourself.

4. If someone has multiple alts and you kill him and make him LNS and he just logs on other alts to keep fighting you you just have to beat him 5x and if he beats you even once and you have no alts you gotta bounce?

Yes, alts are not on the LNS.

5. Already asked but if someone just logs on once an hour to kill you and then logs off because they just want to grief you and keep you out of a zone for the lulz do you still have to abide by the rules?

If that person logs off then you can remain in the zone. But yes they can log in once an hour and kill you.

[meatspin]

Originally Posted by Elderan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Gate is allowed. You are not supposed to buff yourself, but I think most people would be ok with sowing yourself.

Gating would be fine, buffing and medding would make me think you were trying to be aggressive to the person who killed you. Especially when your corpse is right next to the zoneline. Loot your corpse and get out

[Goobles]

Originally Posted by Kergan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Don't shit up my thread.

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[Kergan]

Originally Posted by HippoNipple [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I answered your question and addressed your concern of how PnP was hurting the server. Allowing you to see how it would have played out the same with either system should put your mind at ease.

Where exactly did I express concern that PNP was hurting the server? I very simply asked for clarification of the PNP rules. You are drawing conclusions based on your own biased agenda. The fact of the matter is the cleric in this case who was a legitimate new player didn't even know about the PNP and after reading them he still wasn't sure how to act.

Seriously, I know you guys are being told by your handlers to do this but if you are going to answer a simple question by spewing propaganda just stay out of the thread so we can have a meaningful conversation ok?

[Kergan]

Originally Posted by maverixdamighty [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If the SK leaves the zone he loses the right to ask the cleric to abide by the LNS rules or that's how i always interpreted them. You don't just port around clearing zones and expecting people to not come back for an hour.

alternative for the group would be /ooc full group of noobs leveling up needs a post to a better exp location due to LNS rules. i'm sure a friendly porter would oblige, but i get the point of your OP.

So does being able to force LNS expire immediately upon the SK zoning out, or is there a timer, does he have to verbally relinquish it, etc?

[maverixdamighty]

Originally Posted by Kergan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So does being able to force LNS expire immediately upon the SK zoning out, or is there a timer, does he have to verbally relinquish it, etc?

IMO yes, in that situation, immediately upon zoning he would relinquish his right to enforce the LNS without verbally saying it. If the cleric stays in the zone though the SK could zone back in and repeatedly do the same thing without it being a violation.

This would not be my position for mass pvp that happens in multiple zones due to fighting at a zone line, making that clear.

[HippoNipple]

Originally Posted by Kergan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Where exactly did I express concern that PNP was hurting the server? I very simply asked for clarification of the PNP rules. You are drawing conclusions based on your own biased agenda. The fact of the matter is the cleric in this case who was a legitimate new player didn't even know about the PNP and after reading them he still wasn't sure how to act.

Seriously, I know you guys are being told by your handlers to do this but if you are going to answer a simple question by spewing propaganda just stay out of the thread so we can have a meaningful conversation ok?

Oh goodie, conspiracy theories of mass underground organization for the PnP movement!

If it was a random person asking it would be different but your previous posts do follow you. You won't escape your reputation that easy scum.

[HippoNipple]

Originally Posted by maverixdamighty [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

IMO yes, in that situation, immediately upon zoning he would relinquish his right to enforce the LNS without verbally saying it. If the cleric stays in the zone though the SK could zone back in and repeatedly do the same thing without it being a violation.

This would not be my position for mass pvp that happens in multiple zones due to fighting at a zone line, making that clear.

Mass PvP LnS and zone jumping is the biggest issue by far and needs some clarification. I know how I would urge my guildies to act if I was in power but that isn't the case and there is no clear ruling on this from the GMs. This sort of issue would be best discussed by leaders of RD, Azrael and Nihilum because opinions will differ across the server. We need the leaders to make a decision and guildies would then be expected to respect their leader's decision.

[Kergan]

Originally Posted by HippoNipple [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Oh goodie, conspiracy theories of mass underground organization for the PnP movement!

If it was a random person asking it would be different but your previous posts do follow you. You won't escape your reputation that easy scum.

I'm just fine with my reputation. I have tried multiple times to create threads/posts containing constructive feedback and on each occasion the thread has turned to shit. I expressed 0 opinion in the original post in this thread either, leaving it up for discussion based purely on a real situation that occurred a few days ago.

I will say you have mixed in some actual responses in between putting words into my mouth, if you could just focus on the meaningful part of your posts and leave out the bullshit then we'd be in a good place.