Game Mechanics: Feign Death issues (DOTs & Snares)

[CodyF86]

Originally Posted by Autotune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

um, these things were working like this awhile back.

If I remember correctly, this all happened with the patch that brought FD to working how it does now, with merbs remembering you once you stand up without sneak on.

Before the patch you would drop all aggro no matter what after fding and could be hit by any spell resisted or not resisted and fd wouldn't break.

After that patch, we have the current fd mechanics along with fd breaking if you get cast on after you flop no matter what, so that is when the change happened.

But yeah I think breaking when resisted is not correct atm.

This talks about a patch that occurred in 2005 that made FD break even if the spell
was resisted, which means before this patch FD did not break if you resisted the spell.

http://eqnecro.info/board/viewtopic....ish_rel=-10000

But ^^ after reading all of that link seems they arent even actually sure, gonna have to dig some more....

Aaradin
The A-Team

[Arteker]

Originally Posted by CodyF86 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If I remember correctly, this all happened with the patch that brought FD to working how it does now, with merbs remembering you once you stand up without sneak on.

Before the patch you would drop all aggro no matter what after fding and could be hit by any spell resisted or not resisted and fd wouldn't break.

After that patch, we have the current fd mechanics along with fd breaking if you get cast on after you flop no matter what, so that is when the change happened.

But yeah I think breaking when resisted is not correct atm.

This talks about a patch that occurred in 2005 that made FD break even if the spell
was resisted, which means before this patch FD did not break if you resisted the spell.

http://eqnecro.info/board/viewtopic....ish_rel=-10000

But ^^ after reading all of that link seems they arent even actually sure, gonna have to dig some more....

Aaradin
The A-Team

one the of the main reasons of this was than without los a npc will not cast on you so a monk necro sk used corners and such for fd.

a prime example of this where tov chains of fders suauly every fder was in some corner waitin for fd so his aprtner in the spot could tag and run to the raid.

Later in game luclin and new changes in fd mechanic like after 2 mins warning mob xxx has forgotten you and the aas to fd succesfull work if u hit by a spell.


anyways ehre is a link to fd skill explained as far back as 2000


http://web.archive.org/web/200012180...eign_death.asp

[Arteker]

alot of people seems o forget , one of the main reasons monks carried alot of resist junk while pulling was .

naturala vodiance splittin meles was not much of a trouble, but ,,,,, casters would nuke you, would snare you, would root you, would dot you ,,,,,,,

so they needed time to survive agaisnt casters and find their time for fd.

> November 16th, 4:30pm
> ---------------------
>
> Feign Death was recently changed by the Tuning Team to reflect evolving
> gameplay issues. Since two of the three classes that get Feign Death get
it
> through spells, I thought this might be a good place to explain the
changes.
>
> Previously, when you used Feign Death (and assuming you cast the spell
> successfully or, in the case of the Monk, made your skill roll) hostile
> monsters would decided that you were dead and wander off. When you later
> got up, they would still remember that they were angry with you. If you
> were within sight, they would immediately come after you. If not, they
> would come after you at some later point. This might happen within a few
> minutes, or could happen even a few hours later. The only way to be
> absolutely sure that a monster had forgotten about you was to zone.
>
> With our new changes, about a third of the time that you successfully
Feign
> Death, the monster will immediately forget about you, similar to an
> Enchanter casting Memory Blur. If they do NOT forget about you, they will
> immediately come after you when you stand up. No more monsters coming
back
> at irregular amounts of time - it should be immediate or not at all.
>
> This is a change - the old way, if you Feigned Death a SINGLE TIME, the
> monster would ALWAYS remember you. This way, they remember you about
> two-thirds of the time.
>
> Using the old Feign Death, you could Feign Death multiple times to try to
> confuse the monster. After about seven or eight times doing this, most
> monsters would eventually forget they were mad at you.
>
> With the new Feign Death, if you Feign Death once the monster has about a
65
> percent chance of remembering you. Twice and the monster has about a 50
> percent chance of remembering you. Four times means about 20 percent, and
> six times means about 8 percent. This is very similar to the old Feign
> Death.
>
> Another addition to the new Feign Death involves a monster "going home."
> When you Feign Death, most monsters will return to where they were before
> the fight. If a monster returns to its initial location, it will
> immediately forget about you greater then 90 percent of the time.
> Therefore, if you Feign Death and stay down long enough for a monster to
"go
> home," you should be safe when you stand up a majority of the time. If
the
> monster IS still mad at you, it will return immediately, rather then
> wandering back later at some irregular interval.
>
>
> *FEIGN DEATH UPDATE*
>
> After further testing and watching these changes on the Live verses the
Test
> Server, we will bechanging Feign Death again on the next patch.
>
> New changes will make it so that if the creature is less than level 35,
the
> monster will always forget about you. If the creature greater then level
35,
> then the monster will use the changes detailed above.
>
> - The EverQuest Team


that was first official explanation of how FD worked.

[Arteker]

Originally Posted by CodyF86 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If I remember correctly, this all happened with the patch that brought FD to working how it does now, with merbs remembering you once you stand up without sneak on.

Before the patch you would drop all aggro no matter what after fding and could be hit by any spell resisted or not resisted and fd wouldn't break.

After that patch, we have the current fd mechanics along with fd breaking if you get cast on after you flop no matter what, so that is when the change happened.

But yeah I think breaking when resisted is not correct atm.

This talks about a patch that occurred in 2005 that made FD break even if the spell
was resisted, which means before this patch FD did not break if you resisted the spell.

http://eqnecro.info/board/viewtopic....ish_rel=-10000

But ^^ after reading all of that link seems they arent even actually sure, gonna have to dig some more....

Aaradin
The A-Team

probably low lvl necros , if u still fd and a spell broke ur fd but mob is low lvl it will still wiped u from agro, just tested in game and works aswell.

[Arteker]

what i wonder is when they will implement the fd time limit

[CodyF86]

Originally Posted by Arteker [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

probably low lvl necros , if u still fd and a spell broke ur fd but mob is low lvl it will still wiped u from agro, just tested in game and works aswell.

I was talking about how it acted on a live server not on p99; I know all too well
how FD works on p99, and was only talking about a resisted spell breaking or not
breaking FD on live.

If a mob casts an unresisted spell on you and it doesn't break FD regardless
of lvl, then that's a bug, but getting FD to work 100% correctly has always been
a mysterious art on emulated servers.

Actually I can't remember if dispels are still considered beneficial spells on p99,
if they are and a mob dispelled you, it might not break FD.

After lvl 40 you can forget about roamers ever forgetting you except for 1/100,
but you can use a stalking probe and sneak when you stand back up to pull
and split casters without them ever having line of sight on you in the first place to
even cast once.

Aaradin
The A-Team

[Arteker]

Originally Posted by CodyF86 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I was talking about how it acted on a live server not on p99; I know all too well
how FD works on p99, and was only talking about a resisted spell breaking or not
breaking FD on live.

If a mob casts an unresisted spell on you and it doesn't break FD regardless
of lvl, then that's a bug, but getting FD to work 100% correctly has always been
a mysterious art on emulated servers.

Actually I can't remember if dispels are still considered beneficial spells on p99,
if they are and a mob dispelled you, it might not break FD.

After lvl 40 you can forget about roamers ever forgetting you except for 1/100,
but you can use a stalking probe and sneak when you stand back up to pull
and split casters without them ever having line of sight on you in the first place to
even cast once.

Aaradin
The A-Team

again wich period, and can u prove it? even ur link there is people saying than a any spell would break fd.

There was even aas for people being hited by spells and givin them a chance to fd works.

[CodyF86]

Originally Posted by Arteker [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

again wich period, and can u prove it? even ur link there is people saying than a any spell would break fd.

There was even aas for people being hited by spells and givin them a chance to fd works.

Yes once aa's were introduced. I wasn't trying to prove anything, merely trying
to discuss it.

Aaradin
The A-Team

[Arteker]

Originally Posted by CodyF86 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yes once aa's were introduced. I wasn't trying to prove anything, merely trying
to discuss it.

Aaradin
The A-Team

well alot of people puttin memmorys but no real dates to back up, and there is realy alot of missinformation about the real skill.


what im 100% sure is dispell did break ur FD( i have seen many monks pulling in velious die to a single dispell followed of multiple aoes).

one of the ugue reasons innate run 3 was so important for monk/sks/necros was the ability to run ahead of the mob find a way to break los and FD.

whats he trouble? in eq for some time caster mobs where broken and wouldnt cut the spell cast when u oor or no in los , usualy those spells would hit you but always bee resisted . and would not break FD skill or spell.


it was changed and patched, so regardin FD i recall Stonewall aas being a must have for monks wich wanted to pull caster mobs.