Sirken's proposal

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Originally Posted by Alarti0001 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Respect is earned, also you have to give respect to get it. There has never been a time Lord Chest has respected any of the Hardcore guilds.

Ex-hardcore raider here, hardcore guilds don't deserve any respect.

[arsenalpow]

Originally Posted by Hitpoint [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So, I'm under the impression you would prefer to be able to clear the entire plane before pulling a God? Yea, I guess I just don't mind the way it is. Matter of opinion. It will always be faster, even if there is some risk.

no, we called our last CT via the p99 TM kite method, it's just incredibly messy when there's 3 guilds going after it

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by arsenalpow [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

respect is a two way street alarti, and there's never been a point where the hardcore guilds stopped shitting on the little guys, it's never enough and that's the issue right?

That is a wholly untrue answer. Come back when you are willing to speak truthfully.

[falkun]

Originally Posted by Alarti0001 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Respect is earned, also you have to give respect to get it.

Says the man who can't stay out of RNF nor /OOC. Your taunts in both medias are infamous.

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Originally Posted by Alarti0001 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That is a wholly untrue answer. Come back when you are willing to speak truthfully.

^ Obviously doesn't remember all the times we ran over other guilds in Hate to get inny.

lol'd

[Hitpoint]

Originally Posted by Rhambuk [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If you don't shit in a sock for 3 days straight without sleep, you're not raiding

It's all optional. Our officers ask people not to poopsock VS room, or even be in VS room all the time. People choose to be there. AFK or at their computer, doesn't matter. If you don't want to partake in VS poopsock, you absolutely do not have to. Imo I would much rather a single tracker from each guild being there and having the raid log in, like it is with Trakanon.

[Uteunayr]

Originally Posted by Thana8088 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Kinda like stealing Draco because you thought TMO was kiting?

Originally Posted by arsenalpow [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

kinda like ripping an officer core apart from the inside out because we wouldn't make your boyfriend a raid leader?

see? i can do that too

The problem is the atmosphere demands it. I don't know this particular situation, so I am not taking a side on it. But when you mix ideologically opposed individuals, conflicts like this are assured to happen. There is science to back up that fact. The focus of my thesis is on exactly this subject.

If you're a person like me, and you want to see your epic, and you want to work hard for it, but you don't want the toxic atmosphere that comes along with it, you pretty much have nowhere to go. Now again, that toxic atmosphere I talk about is not toxic to everyone, some people like that atmosphere, and it is a good one to them. So please do not think I suggest it is morally wrong. My point is only that to me, it isn't the atmosphere I like, or that I enjoy. This is a game, I want to have fun, and I want to work hard to achieve my goals.

The problem is, the only way to compete and achieve your goals is to get your hands dirtied in getting involved in the atmosphere you dislike, and it's not because of a lack of hard work, but because those tactics are simply more effective. That's why right now, the conversations the guild leaders and officers are doing, it is the best moment so far on P99, because I can see the potential that the environment can become something myself, and many other casual players like, and still allow for the hardcore to create the environment they like.

I really hope good stuff comes from this. I really do. There are too many people like me out there who are willing to work hard, but don't want that type of hardcore environment to work in.

[Hitpoint]

Originally Posted by arsenalpow [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

no, we called our last CT via the p99 TM kite method, it's just incredibly messy when there's 3 guilds going after it

It absolutely is. I don't see another way, outside of a rotation. I think it would help if people didn't get bent out of shape about it, and just tried to understand why it happens and how to avoid it. Last CT there were 3 guilds going after him. There were trains. Unintentional ones. And everyone was civil about it, there wasn't petitions or drama or insanity. We rezed the dead, and helped drag other guilds. Maybe I'm naive but I actually think that it's possible to be civil about planes raids when all this is over. Maybe guild council will help with that.

[Elements]

Originally Posted by Alarti0001 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Your argument would have merit if you competed and then weren't involved in training etc. You didn't even show up. Likely if you did you would have been called out many times just due to inexperience or ineptitude.

How are casuals being punished? Can you really speak to a sense of entitlement?

Your attitude is not at all conducive to a healthy raid scene.

Chest and BDA compete for ragefire all the time and I hear the complaints from other guilds in /ooc about them leapfrogging, training, KSing etc. I'm sure the staff can attest to the BDA petitionquest that goes on over ragefire. Chest just cannot stand to lose and as such he choses not to play the game at all.

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by falkun [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Says the man who can't stay out of RNF nor /OOC. Your taunts in both medias are infamous.

Shit talking doesn't mean a lack of respect. Shit-talking is an entertaining part of any competitive event. Have you ever played sports? I play in a few adult sports leagues we talk shit while we play then we get drinks after the game.