The Deru' Plan C discussion

[Fael]

Yender, I've seen more shaddy crap come from BDA then any other guild on this server. More vitriol, more hate.

Why don't you guild remove yourself?

People here are so blind from hatred that they can't acknowledge that no guild on this server isn't without defects and people you don't love but learn to live with, etc.

Grow up. This is a part of life within any organization, period.

Dolic

[Xadion]

Originally Posted by YendorLootmonkey [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I hope for this as well, too! Thank you for acknowledging the issues and understanding. I know there is an expectations gap for both sides but hopefully we can all learn from past mistakes and move forward so we can all go back to having fun [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

indeed, and that indeed is in part why I started this discussion after seeing the replies to plan C and how some parties don't want anything but a straight handout, and even once they get some handouts they want them more.

what needs to happen is a reevaluation of the current rules. Proposed changes to said rules, and some discussion. We do not need a system or welfare. Some guilds state they cannot compete, but then when given an advantage to compete they don't want to compete they just want it.

the CS staff had too many petitions, okay I get it... No guild should do first and petition later, such as ninja looting etc etc.

the line of rules must be drawn and properly and equally enforced- THAT is what caused the raid issues that are today.

[YendorLootmonkey]

Originally Posted by Fael [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yender, I've seen more shaddy crap come from BDA then any other guild on this server. More vitriol, more hate.

Why don't you guild remove yourself?

List of supposed offenses greater than those of TMO, please. Serve it up. Let's go.

[baalzy]

What we have here folks is Walmart vs Costco.

Walmart treats everyone like scum-shit to sell them the crappiest crap they can, but because it falls within the budgets Walmart sets (via the wages they pay), people buy it. Walmart considers themselves kings because their owners pull in 50mil a day thanks to all the hard work their daddy did for them when he built the company.

Costco treats people with respect and pays respectable wages and thinks the Walmart mentality is a disgusting shit-fest and wants no part of it so they treat both their employees and their customers with respect giving low prices and high wages and have been doing so for years and years without ever resorting to the shit Walmart pulls.

Sirken is arguing the world should be dominated by Walmart, but they have to get a $0.25/hour raise as a 'compromise'.

[Xadion]

Originally Posted by YendorLootmonkey [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

List of supposed offenses greater than those of TMO, please. Serve it up. Let's go.

There is a fancy quote from The Bible about a stick in your eye and the one in your friends..but I will let andro quote that in the original Greek, or Spanish ;-P as for lists of wrong doings, take that and go to RNF, lets be constructive here.

[YendorLootmonkey]

Originally Posted by Xadion [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

There is a fancy quote from The Bible about a stick in your eye and the one in your friends..but I will let andro quote that in the original Greek, or Spanish ;-P as for lists of wrong doings, take that and go to RNF, lets be constructive here.

Tell that to Dolic... he's the one insinuating he's got a list of things my guild has done to damage the raid scene on this server more so than TMO without bringing any actual facts. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] I already made nice here and he's taking a bat to the bee hive while covered in pollen.

[Messianic]

Originally Posted by baalzy [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What we have here folks is Walmart vs Costco.

Walmart treats everyone like scum-shit to sell them the crappiest crap they can, but because it falls within the budgets Walmart sets (via the wages they pay), people buy it. Walmart considers themselves kings because their owners pull in 50mil a day thanks to all the hard work their daddy did for them when he built the company.

Costco treats people with respect and pays respectable wages and thinks the Walmart mentality is a disgusting shit-fest and wants no part of it so they treat both their employees and their customers with respect giving low prices and high wages and have been doing so for years and years without ever resorting to the shit Walmart pulls.

Sirken is arguing the world should be dominated by Walmart, but they have to get a $0.25/hour raise as a 'compromise'.

This is a really shitty infusion of a subjective politicized view of economics into an error-filled understanding of how retailers function applied to the politics of a video game.

Painful to read.