Sirken's proposal

[Mezzmur]

Originally Posted by falkun [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So your CoD guns are contingent on you winning every single match? Or can you still get those guns if you lost every single match you ever played (it would just take longer)? How does you getting guns stop your clan-buddy from getting guns? Also, when you play CoD, you can attack your enemy to reach that objective? Or do the two sides just run at the objective and stand next to it together?

It's fine, bad example and you're not focusing on the point.

Plus, this proposal above in this thread is 110% equitable and should be agreed upon.

I'm a hardcore gamer, I don't love this proposal, I don't even like it that much because it's reserving more mobs that I can't touch in a month. I WANT to go gangbusters on all those mobs and tell you to eat a dick.

But I'm not. I'm suggesting that guilds who want more content take MORE of the raid mobs in a month than I will compete for and the participants of Tier 2/rotation don't have to do more than know the spawn time and show up. It's not perfect for anyone, but it's fair.

Originally Posted by daldaen

In call of duty, generally speaking, you are competing against other players. So not a great comparison. Even then, your inability to log in at all hours or spend 10 hours spamming 1 button... Doesn't hinder your ability to achieve 99% of that stuff. On P99, those inabilities or unwillingness from casual players, does stop you from getting most all raid gear, and epics from dragons/raid mobs. Without paying plat or RMTing for it.

People aren't asking to be handed the gear, just given the chance to fight for it without having to wake up at 3 AM or log on mid afternoon at work. Or track for 24 hours. They just want a chance to be able to log on every week and fight A dragon. Not all 20 raid targets. But one or two.

In what regard are you (as a high end raider) getting buttfucked? You keep VP regardless of what happens, that's 6 dragons every week. And I think most of the plans that have been proposed suggest you would retain over half or about half of the non-VP raid mobs. So you keep the majority of the content split between 2-3 guilds, while the other 8-10 guilds split the other half. I think the time/reward there is fine.

Like I said, you're not focusing on the point. Additionally I said we don't want to get buttfucked, not that we would be. This proposal is more like anal beads than a stright up anal gang bang. Focus on the proposal and provide feedback. Azure Guard has already said that this sounds equitable, hows by you?

[CodyF86]

Just because something takes time and effort doesn't mean you should be proud of it lol.

If any of you ever start hearing me say I'm proud about the effort it takes to track a 7 day raid merb for a potential maximum of 12.95 days or I'm proud about the effort it takes to camp alts at poop mountain someone please come take my computer away from me and stand me in front of some direct sunlight.

Aaradin
The A-Team

[Mezzmur]

Originally Posted by CodyF86 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Just because something takes time and effort doesn't mean you should be proud of it lol.

If any of you ever start hearing me say I'm proud to want to track a 7 day raid mob for a potential maximum of 12.95 days or I'm proud about the effort it takes to camp alts at poop mountain someone please come take my computer away from me and stand me in front of some direct sunlight.

Aaradin
The A-Team

Again, not the point. Azure Guard has already stated in this thread that this seems reasonable. Lets get some thoughts/feedback and less drama. I don't see how this is anything but fair.

[Imslap]

Originally Posted by Daldaen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

In call of duty, generally speaking, you are competing against other players. So not a great comparison. Even then, your inability to log in at all hours or spend 10 hours spamming 1 button... Doesn't hinder your ability to achieve 99% of that stuff. On P99, those inabilities or unwillingness from casual players, does stop you from getting most all raid gear, and epics from dragons/raid mobs. Without paying plat or RMTing for it.

People aren't asking to be handed the gear, just given the chance to fight for it without having to wake up at 3 AM or log on mid afternoon at work. Or track for 24 hours. They just want a chance to be able to log on every week and fight A dragon. Not all 20 raid targets. But one or two.

In what regard are you (as a high end raider) getting buttfucked? You keep VP regardless of what happens, that's 6 dragons every week. And I think most of the plans that have been proposed suggest you would retain over half or about half of the non-VP raid mobs. So you keep the majority of the content split between 2-3 guilds, while the other 8-10 guilds split the other half. I think the time/reward there is fine.

What you are looking for is instanced raiding. Every single game from World of Warcraft onward offers that experience. Everquest is not instanced, therefore work is required in order to experience all of the content.

While you may think that tracking for 24 hours or waking up at 3 AM is too much work; it is what it takes to compete in a game where your competition is willing and capable to do just that.

What Flippie's proposed solution allows, is removing the three most dedicated player bases from competition for 10 days on the four most valued targets enabling the guilds that have the highest drive to "work" the highest chance for reward. With the remaining 20 days of the month the server is being given a chance to compete with each other on the other raid bosses with no competition from the three premiere raiding guilds.

Whether or not the "Tier 2" guilds choose to compete or rotate mobs is entirely up to them. Just appreciate that your voices have been heard, the "hardcore raiders" are conceding that many of the "Tier 2" raiding guilds do not have the desire to compete on the same level as us and we are offering a generous solution.

[arsenalpow]

Originally Posted by Funkutron5000 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

For people that missed this exchange in Sirken's Proposal Thread:

In case everyone forgot, the casual guilds REFUSED to pull every dirty trick in the book to get those targets. We refused to DA stall tank, "accidentally" train, leapfrog, FTE snipe, rules lawyer, manipulate logs, ninja loot, buy up hundreds of accounts, etc etc

So PLEASE explain to me again how you'd like to punish casual guilds for adhering to the rules, being good citizens, and saying we refused to "compete." It's an asinine argument. We refused to stoop as low as TMO and FE therefore we (the casuals) just don't care enough. That's bullshit, and every single person on this server knows it's bullshit.

You want to wall off targets for yourselves then do so on the merit of the casuals being unable to kill said targets, oh wait the encounters are fucking easy but your sense of entitlement after months of shitting all over each other has made you blind to the rest of the server.

Fuck you, fuck all this rhetoric. It's a goddamn game and you're a bunch of grown ass children who don't know how to share. It's pathetic. I'm done posting in troll chat. If you want to fucking talk about some proposals you can post there.

[CodyF86]

Originally Posted by Mezzmur [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Again, not the point. Azure Guard has already stated in this thread that this seems reasonable. Lets get some thoughts/feedback and less drama. I don't see how this is anything but fair.

I was replying to what corova quoted; I just didn't feel like quoting it to fill up half
a forum page.

Aaradin
The A-Team

[Rhambuk]

Originally Posted by Imslap [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

While you may think that tracking for 24 hours or waking up at 3 AM is too much work; it is what it takes to compete in a game where your competition is willing and capable to do just that.

why variance needs to be removed, this "competition" is far far to intense for the average player. Youll say too bad go elsewhere but this was NEVER everquest this is p99 created competition.

[Splorf22]

Originally Posted by Imslap [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What you are looking for is instanced raiding. Every single game from World of Warcraft onward offers that experience. Everquest is not instanced, therefore work is required in order to experience all of the content.

No, that work is the result of 96 hour variance which has nothing to do with classic Everquest.

[koros]

I don't raid or even play that much, but I've been watching it unfold on the forums. The ideas articulated in this thread seem like an extremely good compromise for the casuals.

To demand a rotation or closer to a 50/50 split is massive hypocrisy. TMO/IB/FE were beating the other guilds pretty much all of the time. They're giving concessions they don't have to. Expecting an even split would be like working at McDonalds, expecting everyone to have to pay a 100% tax rate, and then having all wealth distributed equally.

Also cut variance to 12-24 hours obviously. That will help everyone and allow mobs to constantly change what time of day they spawn.

[Imslap]

Originally Posted by Rhambuk [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

why variance needs to be removed, this "competition" is far far to intense for the average player. Youll say too bad go elsewhere but this was NEVER everquest this is p99 created competition.

I, and I feel comfortably speaking for all the "hardcore players", hate variance more than you will ever understand. No one enjoys spending that much time tracking. No one enjoys waking up at 3AM to raid.

But, I (and again most "hardcore players") DO enjoy raiding and killing the mobs. If this is the name of the game, then I will put my best foot forward to win.