All Players are Raid Suspended Until Further Notice

[Brut]

And to repeat something said prior:

The whole tier rotation talk is missing a major important part of the big idea what rogeman's announcement was all about imo, and that's that the raidscene was supposed to be made more reasonable so guilds that couldn't/didn't want to compete would have more chance and appeal to do so. Idea was that the metapvp and different flavors of poopsocking and rampant douchebaggery would be limited so guilds could see more reason to try raiding. And that the big raid guilds would stop farming maestro to sell hand MQs. Instead all these said casual guilds are now acting like anything that isn't deemed part of the casual's rotation is going to continue being fte stalling shenanigans and idiocy. Which is a damned shame.

[Briac]

Originally Posted by Brut [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Ranger epic is a suicide device with slow proc, and ranger is hardly a top dps class to begin with. Wizard epic is a rune click with small mana regen, they can rune themselves without one, plus Gabstik staff is 15 more MR. Think I see 2 mages tops on our raids, so I doubt them having a bigger air pet is going to win us the mob. PD helm is 5 more MR than a tranny crown, every caster is capable of achieving 200+ Int/wis without much effort - one more cast of lure of ice isn't going to quarantee absolute unrivaled tyranny over Velious. The expansion is going to be about coordination and raiding properly, not about blowing a 32k dragon up with your one extra lure cast. Cheal chains wont be done with NS robes that can and have been bought at EC btw. And the first thing every guild should be doing come Velious anyway is farming arena and whatnot for gear upgrades.

You're splitting hairs over 5 items total here as a massive gear advantage that somehow makes blocking off the entire raidscene for months a genious strategic move for the raiding guilds.

EDIT: Btw "more or less farm rotation by TMO or FE/IB and secured wholly by them" is absurd to read, too. FEIB tally of Rile Crowns: 0, NS robes: 0, mage epics: I think 1 earth staff, no idea if anyone even got it or if the guy who did alrdy quit, ranger epics: who cares, wiz epics: as said 3 or 4, think most of them have quit too. If it were as you claim that we want to stop all raiding to secure the monopoly of said items, then why would FEIB exactly be onboard of this?

And do attest the last paragraph of my post: not raiding hurts us more than maintaining any minimal gear advantage could possibly help us.

Whilst I understand why you guys are going on about gear, you have all gone way off topic! Get back to the real issue! As it stands all raid capable toons are banned from experiencing a good portion of Classic EQ!

I started P1999 3 or so years ago to experience classic EQ content once more. Loot is a secondary bonus. I came back to slay Dragons, bosses, hard content. I came back to find a community of players and join forces and test ourselves against the content, the challenge of re learning encounters and succeeding, that is where EQ classic wins.

But over the last 2 years or more, the minority of server, ‘the hardcore’ if you will, have had that pleasure, for whatever reason you wish to [insert here], that is no longer the case for this server, the owners have spoken, they want the ENTIRE community to enjoy CLASSIC EQ content.

Let’s perhaps focus on this first.

[Brut]

Originally Posted by Briac [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Whilst I understand why you guys are going on about gear, you have all gone way off topic! Get back to the real issue! As it stands all raid capable toons are banned from experiencing a good portion of Classic EQ!

I started P1999 3 or so years ago to experience classic EQ content once more. Loot is a secondary bonus. I came back to slay Dragons, bosses, hard content. I came back to find a community of players and join forces and test ourselves against the content, the challenge of re learning encounters and succeeding, that is where EQ classic wins.

But over the last 2 years or more, the minority of server, ‘the hardcore’ if you will, have had that pleasure, for whatever reason you wish to [insert here], that is no longer the case for this server, the owners have spoken, they want the ENTIRE community to enjoy CLASSIC EQ content.

Let’s perhaps focus on this first.

Aye, I'm all in for seeing Europa trying their hand at Trakanon.
The conversation in general is going the wrong way and has now devolved into derpy fingerpointing between each sides. At least the trolls arent allowed in Raid Forum (except Sloan).

[Elmarnieh]

Originally Posted by Alarti0001 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I have seen multiple BDA/Taken/Div people come out in support of the raid suspension, including leadership.

The suspension hurts FE/TMO far far greater than the casuals who weren't raiding shit anyways.

There wont be an agreement with this situation basically because the staff and the casuals in effect put a gun to our heads and said "Agree on something". Nothing positive can come from negotiations under duress especially when one side assumes they "hold all the cards". TMO/FE have offered 2 very very very fair plans for casual guilds, and they wholly blocked them without compromise. This is largely because of the misguided actions of the staff who seem to think that 2 very disparate groups of people will ever come to some equally beneficial agreement.

In the end, FE/TMO will likely cave to some shitty agreement that is wholly unjustified for them just to keep attrition from killing their guilds.

Neither of TMO / FE's plans were "fair" let alone "very very" so of course I disagree with GM's involving themselves in non-abusive player interaciton. If they didn't like how people responded to FTE rules and variance they shouldn't have implimented either.

[radditsu]

Originally Posted by Thana8088 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Tsk tsk, which forum are you in?

Another symptom of stupid!

Povar, kunark era, GM's used to be in hate /fear on inny/ct runs all the time to settle raid disputes and make OTHER GUILDS LEAVE, if one guild got to the engage/first in force. I remember having to leave on multiple occasions because someone got there "first". If they wiped, we went back into the zone and did work.

Because i do not feel like going through 100s of pages of crap to find "citations" to "prove it", does not mean I am stupid or do not know what I am talking about.

My assertion that you ask me to "prove it" is alarti-like and whomever made that post should open himself up to have such a sullied name put upon him.

Keep my name out your mouth.

[Thana8088]

Originally Posted by radditsu [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Keep my name out your mouth.

Were you raised in the mf South? [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[radditsu]

Originally Posted by Thana8088 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Were you raised in the mf South? [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Low down and dirty, you know what im bout.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F7reeeApqWo

[Daldaen]

SoulFire shouldn't be clickable by non-paladins
Donals should be in cool down nerf mode, can keep 20s cast time


Hoops were nerfed unclassicly. Fix that crap so that you don't have unlimited CH rots and farmers perma locking Sir Lucan Dlere.

[Elmarnieh]

Individual guild disputes and individual player disputes (and bugs) are what GM's are for. Resolving a contested anything is far different than a servewide ban on activity and you and I both know they are an order of magnitude apart on scale of intervention.

[Rhambuk]

Originally Posted by Daldaen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

SoulFire shouldn't be clickable by non-paladins
Donals should be in cool down nerf mode, can keep 20s cast time


Hoops were nerfed unclassicly. Fix that crap so that you don't have unlimited CH rots and farmers perma locking Sir Lucan Dlere.

I'm sure if you could find patch notes theyd fix it. Almost every "bug" on this server that has been proven by patch notes is fixed in a reasonable amount of time.

Where is Ele he'll know