The Deru' Plan C discussion

[Xadion]

andro, just post everything in Spanish and let them google translate it if they cannot use basic reading skills to understand your posts.

[falkun]

Wonderful, you hate that coldblooded's RL pic was dragged through RNF. YET YOU DID NOTHING ABOUT IT. No one from TMO was guild removed or otherwise penalized. The pic came down, that ONE forum account received a ban, and TMO kept on keeping on. That reminds me of a quote, "All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing." You did nothing. Hate the action all you want, you did nothing about it. As your guild FTE snipes and wins loot with fewer than 5 people on the aggro list, you do nothing. As your guild initiates Fear DT cycles, without engaging Draco or CT, you collect loot and do nothing. If you want the toxic raid scene to change, STOP doing nothing. I don't give a shit about how you feel about what your guild does, I've seen you DO NOTHING to stop them from doing it again. Again to the quotes, "Actions speak louder than words."

[radditsu]

Originally Posted by Xadion [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

andro, just post everything in Spanish and let them google translate it if they cannot use basic reading skills to understand your posts.

I was making a punctuation joke. I understood completely what he was trying to say.

Joke, fun. Happy. Great.

[Xadion]

Originally Posted by falkun [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Wonderful, you hate that coldblooded's RL pic was dragged through RNF. YET YOU DID NOTHING ABOUT IT. No one from TMO was guild removed or otherwise penalized. The pic came down, that ONE forum account received a ban, and TMO kept on keeping on. That reminds me of a quote, "All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing." You did nothing. Hate the action all you want, you did nothing about it. As your guild FTE snipes and wins loot with fewer than 5 people on the aggro list, you do nothing. As your guild initiates Fear DT cycles, without engaging Draco or CT, you collect loot and do nothing. If you want the toxic raid scene to change, STOP doing nothing. I don't give a shit about how you feel about what your guild does, I've seen you DO NOTHING to stop them from doing it again.

Andro himself has stood up for things in our guild forums many times, as have I and others. In DA there was a stay out of RNF understanding, and while there where still anon accounts that posted the general stance was to leave it alone... Come the merge with TMO and their rise in the raid scene they did not have the same rule or understanding... And if you don't understand that the typical RNF people are their own thing and never really representative of a group, well sorry heh. I hope Zagum as our new leader will enact RNF policy, there is rarely a reason to start a flame crusade in RNF.

[falkun]

As an outsider looking in, you can see my point, Xadion. I'm not saying I need to look inside, but if it keeps happening, it still appears that whatever TMO's white knights are fighting for internally is not as important as pixels. Maybe that will change with Zagum, and I hope it does, but all I have to look at are TMO's actions of the last two+ years.

[Arteker]

Originally Posted by falkun [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Wonderful, you hate that coldblooded's RL pic was dragged through RNF. YET YOU DID NOTHING ABOUT IT. No one from TMO was guild removed or otherwise penalized. The pic came down, that ONE forum account received a ban, and TMO kept on keeping on. That reminds me of a quote, "All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing." You did nothing. Hate the action all you want, you did nothing about it. As your guild FTE snipes and wins loot with fewer than 5 people on the aggro list, you do nothing. As your guild initiates Fear DT cycles, without engaging Draco or CT, you collect loot and do nothing. If you want the toxic raid scene to change, STOP doing nothing. I don't give a shit about how you feel about what your guild does, I've seen you DO NOTHING to stop them from doing it again.

im a regular member of my guild i dont have power but if u stop to ask any of tmo would reply i never shut up my mouth about what i though was wrong. and yes i got laughed alot or get called mexican by people in my own guild and i unleashed a shit storm about the coldbloded pic.

i apologized to her in game when she still played not much i could do either,

Settin ct cycles? i never did but i have seen every raider guild doing it.
FTE snipes? till fte shouts where implemented every guild did it .
there was nothing to be done? back in the day i was one of the main supporters of the infamous tmo endangered species attemp to free mobs for the server, after the total failure of such thing people like me xasten elethia and many others tried to change things .

When BDA ksed my monk epic i was furious yet i did soemthing agaisnt bda guild ? i didint , i played regular in this server with alot of people from every guild and never ever let my tmo tag affect them by being a nice group member .

You amongs others should remember i would not left a hs group for raid vp when my paladin was ur tank do you remember it? i remember before u even got bda taged .

When loraen asked me and if u thrust me asked me what i though about TMO falling over other guild actions i reply to him TMO would fall over their own member actions,

and i was rigth .

like you probably have in bda friends i have them in tmo , i joined them before the emrge with dark ascension i have watched tmo evolution for years . and others guild aswell .

sure im just a regular member who played this server for 4 years wich lvled several chracter wich never got banned and never was involved in anything if dont count making sexual jokes about alien sperm but u know what?.

Being tmo or not when someone asked me for help i always give them , yet u judge me on the basic of my guild tag , no because my actions in game.


and sadly generalize about people based in religion , skin colour politic afilition instead for their acts as individuals still happen alla round the world.

[falkun]

Now we're just escalating for the hell of it, my accusations and you defending yourself. As I said, I do not see what you've done behind TMO's boards, nor do I need to. I'm glad you act as a voice of reason for TMO. I will stop accusing *you* of not acting, but until I see wholesale changes from TMO, my opinion is based on passed actions. TMO's first action to show how they've changed can be these negotiations.

[Arteker]

Originally Posted by falkun [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Now we're just escalating for the hell of it, my accusations and you defending yourself. As I said, I do not see what you've done behind TMO's boards, nor do I need to. I'm glad you act as a voice of reason for TMO. I will stop accusing *you* of not acting, but until I see wholesale changes from TMO, my opinion is based on passed actions. TMO's first action to show how they've changed can be these negotiations.

well tmo is in a transition moment , once we figured all it i cana ctualy give u a solid opinion.

sadly or not i will keep with what xadion said, to much kunark to few mobs and in general to much forumquest.

as you notice my english is shit and i rather show things in game .

i just can hope in a future velious would offer more content to players than bicker about ec rmt and petty raidin issues .

[heazels]

Originally Posted by Xadion [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

reading the responses from most of the 'B' guilds it seems clear they have no desire to compete, push forward, strive to be better and advance. They just want mobs handed to them, they will only think of their handed mobs, no thought of working and striving forward and upward... Nope just gimmy my rotation mobs k thanks drive through

they only look at their given on a plate number of mobs, not 'oh if we use the advantages worked in the system we can advance and grow our guild!'

their reason why all this 'CHANGE' needed to happen is because they can't compete or do anything they need help! They get offered help, and they say the truth...not help, handouts are wanted...and now seemingly demanded.

its kind of sad...

Again this had been said to you 1000 times. Yo play your own form of everquest, that you are playing against yourself. EQ has never been about being camped out at a spawn waiting for a text message to log in and zerg it. Its like playing angry birds on god mode and you always win. Racequest is not a real game.

[falkun]

Just because a mob is spawned does not mean you kill it. Even TMO still wipes to Severilious, who even the "lowly" BDA and Divinity can kill. Gorenaire is hard enough (with crummy enough loot) for TMO that it's the first mob they offered for the "endangered species" list. Your argument that mobs not engaged within 5 minutes of spawning equals handouts is hollow. If mobs are handouts, then TMO's been getting handouts from the rest of the server for the last two years, especially in the 50+% of cases where no one raced you for the engage.