Forgot about variance?

[heartbrand]

Velious will not give this server 300+ people. If anything, it could potentially create a PVP landscape so one sided that people will flee to blue for nostalgia purposes. And let's be realistic about the so-called "there's so much to do in Velious," argument.

Yelinak: Probably never being killed on Red
Velektor: Incredibly underwhelming gear
Dain: Really only worth the hammer and the head turn in, but can be infinitely spawned via shawl and just done once a month 20x in a row like spiroc lord.
Tormax: Basically killing him for the head, the other gear is even more underwhelming for the first 6-8 months of Velious per Ele post.
Tunare: Won't be itemized for at LEAST six months into Velious, and due to PVP, may never die on this server.
Vindi: Repops pretty fast, not really a true "raid" mob
Statue: Worth killing
AoW:Will likely never die on Red99 due to the amount of clerics needed combined with how easy it would be to grief a AoW raid with Kael faction chars.
Outdoor Velious Dragons: Basically all drop complete shit, bio orb is cool but will probably have a 99% resist rate

So that basically leaves you with:

NTOV / Sleepers / Dozekar. The 3 Warders in ST can be cleared with 2 groups? Easily doable in 45 minutes. NTOV once you get rolling can be an easy one day clear. So effectively, you could hold down everything worth killing in Velious in one single raid day without variance.

Thanks for playing.

[Kergan]

Originally Posted by heartbrand [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Velious will not give this server 300+ people. If anything, it could potentially create a PVP landscape so one sided that people will flee to blue for nostalgia purposes. And let's be realistic about the so-called "there's so much to do in Velious," argument.

Yelinak: Probably never being killed on Red
Velektor: Incredibly underwhelming gear
Dain: Really only worth the hammer and the head turn in, but can be infinitely spawned via shawl and just done once a month 20x in a row like spiroc lord.
Tormax: Basically killing him for the head, the other gear is even more underwhelming for the first 6-8 months of Velious per Ele post.
Tunare: Won't be itemized for at LEAST six months into Velious, and due to PVP, may never die on this server.
Vindi: Repops pretty fast, not really a true "raid" mob
Statue: Worth killing
AoW:Will likely never die on Red99 due to the amount of clerics needed combined with how easy it would be to grief a AoW raid with Kael faction chars.
Outdoor Velious Dragons: Basically all drop complete shit, bio orb is cool but will probably have a 99% resist rate

So that basically leaves you with:

NTOV / Sleepers / Dozekar. The 3 Warders in ST can be cleared with 2 groups? Easily doable in 45 minutes. NTOV once you get rolling can be an easy one day clear. So effectively, you could hold down everything worth killing in Velious in one single raid day without variance.

Thanks for playing.

Just because something drop a BiS item doesn't mean it isn't worth killing. Especially droppables.

[Labanen]

Originally Posted by Zade [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

go take them

not gonna get sucked in again, everything posted in this thread has been said before, including this zade quote which sums it up neatly. Stop reviving old pointless debates, we re not gonna agree, the GMs acknowledged The debate and made the decision - deal with it

[HippoNipple]

Originally Posted by Kergan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I guess we just disagree on what will actually happen. I don't see RD being allowed to farm a godless plane without being attacked constantly if there is a chance the god can spawn. Or do 30 person jugg raids for spells if Trakanon might pop in that window. I think what will actually happen is Nihilum making the focus wiping RD constantly so they can take mobs uncontested. That's ugly for everyone.

If people are logging in every day to stop exp groups, pvp people doing plane of fear trash raids, or fighting those on jugg raids then there is no question they deserve whatever they earn. If Nihilum can earn what they get no one can say anything about it. It sounds like Nihilum would be doing a lot of work to stay on top if variance was put in, and a couple mobs may slip through the cracks every week. That is how the game is intended to be played.

As for the poster above he is also correct, the GMS already made the decision to not even look at this issue because they don't care. The only gm communication on the subject were those that don't have the power to do anything and they said they were just curious.

[heartbrand]

Originally Posted by Labanen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

not gonna get sucked in again, everything posted in this thread has been said before, including this zade quote which sums it up neatly. Stop reviving old pointless debates, we re not gonna agree, the GMs acknowledged The debate and made the decision - deal with it

Actually, all they said was it wouldn't be implemented at this time. Kind of like how they said OOC wouldn't be implemented at this time and that YT wouldn't be implemented at this time. You and those facts, is it a Euro thing?

[Kergan]

Originally Posted by heartbrand [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Actually, all they said was it wouldn't be implemented at this time. Kind of like how they said OOC wouldn't be implemented at this time and that YT wouldn't be implemented at this time. You and those facts, is it a Euro thing?

I really think the talk of variance will die down after Velious is released, maybe I'm being naive.

[Labanen]

Originally Posted by heartbrand [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Actually, all they said was it wouldn't be implemented at this time. Kind of like how they said OOC wouldn't be implemented at this time and that YT wouldn't be implemented at this time. You and those facts, is it a Euro thing?

I dont claim differently, i said a decision was made. What is it with you and reading, is it a US thing ?

[raka]

Originally Posted by Nizzarr [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You all talk like variance is good. None of you played with variance. None of you knows what variance entails.

Variance is more loop-sided toward the most hardcore players, theres a reason only TMO/FE/IB got targets on blue -- Variance caters to the neckbeards. It takes monumental organization to deal with variance, which you do not have. Nihilum would overcome it but you would never have the neckbeards necessary to compete.

Variance doesnt promote PVP by any means, 4am random Venril sathir will not see an ounce of PVP. 5PM random Cazic thule, your batphone will never compete with Nihilum's batphone. What are the chances you guys will come to a random faydedar when you arent even contesting any 3 day spawn yet.

Ya'll a bunch of whiners trying to get handouts, may as well start begging for a rotation or beg GMs to ask Nihilum to give up raid mobs on a PVP server.

Both have equal chances of happening.

thats 3 guilds there, not 1

also, if variance would be such a benefit to Nihi, - "Variance caters to the neckbeards. It takes monumental organization to deal with variance, which you do not have. Nihilum would overcome it but you would never have the neckbeards necessary to compete." -

oddly modest of you to be anti-something that benefits you$

no?

[Kergan]

Originally Posted by raka [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

thats 3 guilds there, not 1

also, if variance would be such a benefit to Nihi, - "Variance caters to the neckbeards. It takes monumental organization to deal with variance, which you do not have. Nihilum would overcome it but you would never have the neckbeards necessary to compete." -

oddly modest of you to be anti-something that benefits you$

no?

Being better equipped to deal with a change and it being beneficial are two different things.

[Mac Dretti]

Originally Posted by heartbrand [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Velious will not give this server 300+ people. If anything, it could potentially create a PVP landscape so one sided that people will flee to blue for nostalgia purposes. And let's be realistic about the so-called "there's so much to do in Velious," argument.

Yelinak: Probably never being killed on Red
Velektor: Incredibly underwhelming gear
Dain: Really only worth the hammer and the head turn in, but can be infinitely spawned via shawl and just done once a month 20x in a row like spiroc lord.
Tormax: Basically killing him for the head, the other gear is even more underwhelming for the first 6-8 months of Velious per Ele post.
Tunare: Won't be itemized for at LEAST six months into Velious, and due to PVP, may never die on this server.
Vindi: Repops pretty fast, not really a true "raid" mob
Statue: Worth killing
AoW:Will likely never die on Red99 due to the amount of clerics needed combined with how easy it would be to grief a AoW raid with Kael faction chars.
Outdoor Velious Dragons: Basically all drop complete shit, bio orb is cool but will probably have a 99% resist rate

So that basically leaves you with:

NTOV / Sleepers / Dozekar. The 3 Warders in ST can be cleared with 2 groups? Easily doable in 45 minutes. NTOV once you get rolling can be an easy one day clear. So effectively, you could hold down everything worth killing in Velious in one single raid day without variance.

Thanks for playing.

I can't wait to do all of that

Any update on velious release?