Forgot about variance?

[thisuserwasbannedlol]

Originally Posted by Stasis01 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I guess my point is you act like a hardcore but you just enjoy the non-varianced model because it allows for easy cockblocking and control.

You're completely fake.

this is truth

[thisuserwasbannedlol]

Originally Posted by Mac Dretti [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

if u cant figure out how to split the timer up on a pvp enabled server

and your asking for variance

then

lol

its been split, and everytime it happens the server magically reboots or resets

[Kergan]

Originally Posted by Stasis01 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You make my brain hurt, first you take a shot at my intentions.

"And can you stop pretending you want variance for the good of the server? The only guild that potentially benefits from variance is Red Dawn. You want it for the benefit of yourselves."

Then you say that you don't care what my motivations are with speaking in favor of Variance. I don't care about PVE benefits, I care about creating a populated multi guild box.

You talk circles of nonsense and don't say anything worth responding to like usual, are you an Elderan troll account?

Where exactly is the circle you speak of? I was very straight-to-the-point in my post. I also very clearly stated I didn't care what your motivations were for leaving Nihilum, because it makes no difference to the variance argument.

Seems to me you've just managed to make yet another post without any coherent arguments towards your point, instead resulting to insults and random debris that contribute nothing. Par for the course.

[heartbrand]

We've had no variance for approximately two years. We've seen the results. Definition of insanity anyone? Again, there's a reason variance was added to EQ live. As one of the few people here who played eq live from release until two years ago, variance created a shit ton more competition. This is pointless tho, I will continue to tag everyone possible until one of the two guilds collapse and competition dies out again. That's basically the only option without variance on this box, and that people think that's acceptable and healthy for server pop is loltastic.

[heartbrand]

Cast already proved 100x over how variance is better. Literally the only argument against variance is that it makes farming mobs people don't need for the sole purpose of cock blocking more difficult to do. Grats.

[HippoNipple]

Originally Posted by Kergan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Velious will help. Just wait.

Didn't RD just make a post high fiving each other about getting a raid target the other day? System working as intended.

And can you stop pretending you want variance for the good of the server? The only guild that potentially benefits from variance is Red Dawn. You want it for the benefit of yourselves. Yet you will talk until you're blue in the face about how Nihilum is anti variance because they are selfish and don't care about the server.

Then in the next post you'll say how Nihilum has 80% of the active players on the server in it. So why would the devs enable something that is bad for the majority? Why would you advocate for a change that would piss off the vast majority of active players if you care about the server health?

Just call it what it is. Nihilum had a massive head start in acquiring gear in a game that is largely gear dependent in both PVE and PVP. You feel like the advantage is overwhelming and you are asking for the staff to step in and provide you a means to potentially get what you cannot get for yourself legitimately. If what you were saying was: "You tell us to contest but we lack the ability to do so, if you want a competitive raiding scene on this server you will have to help us out", at least then you'd be honest.

Zade said it best. You have the means at your disposal to get raid targets now. Either do it or admit that you can't and try to argue why that is bad for the server.

Variance isn't an attack on the members of Nihilum but a system that helps Nihilum have a true identity and not force itself into the mindless zerg that it has become.

Nihilum does not have 80% of the active players on this server. Their active players are very low compared to other guilds. Nihilum does however have an active roster 3 hours every week when they log on casually and swallow up all content in an afternoon like locusts. It has ruined end game and forced a zerg mentality instead of promoting individuality in guilds. It is a join the zerg or get nothing system.

Variance would reward hardcore players and somewhat spread out the raiding between 3 or possibly 4 guilds.

As you have mentioned it is all well documented, as it is also documented in the gm closed threads that gave Nihilum leadership about 20 pages to give a response in favor or non-variance and they did not. Unfortunately for the citizens of Red99 all of these talks was just that, talk, even when the GMs brought it up. Nilbog or Rogean have no interest in looking into changes on Red99 right now with Velious taking as long as it has.

It will be up to the white knights of this server to push for progress in absence of a developing team that is capable of having a clear vision on what is good for the server. It will be up to the players to punish the sick, the demented, the RMTers, the exploiters, the racist, the zergers and gluttonous filth who have sinned and bring balance back to Norrath.

[Kergan]

Originally Posted by Stasis01 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I guess you consider yourselves one of the "them", as it's apparently us and them, kind of funny that Checkraise was tanking for Nihilum just months ago, and I was there here and there - server first Hoshkar kill etc.

There is no us and them, me and you, Nihilum and Red Dawn - you're making a black and white issue, when all we want is people to realistically compete, which no guild/crew has been able to do here since release.

Some people are just white knights, and some are dick suckers - you and Elderan both know your roles.

All I'm asking is for people to stop hiding behind the guise that what they are asking for is somehow for the betterment of mankind, as far as R99 goes.

You can do this by first dropping the guise that variance is good for everyone and say that is good for the only current Nihilum competition, RD.

Second, you can stop pretending this isn't a soft coded teams server. Do you honestly believe that enabling some sort of variance will allow pickup raids and stuff? The population can barely sustain two raid capable guilds. What tends to be good for one is bad for the other. I don't blame you for fighting for variance at all, I'd do the same thing in your position.

Lastly, can you go a single post without resulting in some sort of low brow insults? If you want to clean up this server why don't you start with your own forum posts. Many times a player is driven away before they even roll a character by spending 5 minutes on here.

[Stasis01]

I don't even waste my breath cause Hippo can do it better.

[Stasis01]

Originally Posted by Kergan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

All I'm asking is for people to stop hiding behind the guise that what they are asking for is somehow for the betterment of mankind, as far as R99 goes.

You can do this by first dropping the guise that variance is good for everyone and say that is good for the only current Nihilum competition, RD.

Second, you can stop pretending this isn't a soft coded teams server. Do you honestly believe that enabling some sort of variance will allow pickup raids and stuff? The population can barely sustain two raid capable guilds. What tends to be good for one is bad for the other. I don't blame you for fighting for variance at all, I'd do the same thing in your position.

Lastly, can you go a single post without resulting in some sort of low brow insults? If you want to clean up this server why don't you start with your own forum posts. Many times a player is driven away before they even roll a character by spending 5 minutes on here.

No guise here, I'm doing this for the good of the box.

It may make the guys who have had everything since release prioritize targets and not get everything with time left over to shit on people trying to play here.

[Nizzarr]

You all talk like variance is good. None of you played with variance. None of you knows what variance entails.

Variance is more loop-sided toward the most hardcore players, theres a reason only TMO/FE/IB got targets on blue -- Variance caters to the neckbeards. It takes monumental organization to deal with variance, which you do not have. Nihilum would overcome it but you would never have the neckbeards necessary to compete.

Variance doesnt promote PVP by any means, 4am random Venril sathir will not see an ounce of PVP. 5PM random Cazic thule, your batphone will never compete with Nihilum's batphone. What are the chances you guys will come to a random faydedar when you arent even contesting any 3 day spawn yet.

Ya'll a bunch of whiners trying to get handouts, may as well start begging for a rotation or beg GMs to ask Nihilum to give up raid mobs on a PVP server.

Both have equal chances of happening.