Bandwagon Proposal Thread.

[Autotune]

The thing I see about this, is that FE/IB/TMO would just do a gentlemen's agreement to leave VP targets up until they agree to compete for the less desirable targets.

While Hosh and PD would probably be high desired targets that would be immediate races.

It wouldn't be the first time this type of agreement was instituted.

[Spitty]

Just hearing the word "agreement" in this context is a step forward.

My humble opinion is that this proposal be refined and submitted. Raids commence as usual whenever this suspension is up, and any residual kinks that arise should be addressed with the same diplomacy that is becoming more and more common here.

Ain't that decent enough?

[uygi]

Originally Posted by Sinestria [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

A compromise would be "tier A will sit out on x amount of VS and x amount of CT". The compromise is that you get to 100% compete in all Trak kills (continued blocking of VP entry)

I said that I think all mobs should at least sometimes... at least every once in a while... follow whatever distribution the Tier B guilds see fit. They would of course be welcome to compete against anyone at any other time as well, as Taken has demonstrated with Inny a lot recently.

Don't forget that there are people that have put in months of effort to earn their spot in line for a rare epic drop, tracking and attending very competitive encounters to earn it. How often do you really expect them to sit idly by while some other guild gets, in relative terms, what amounts to a freebie? I'm not saying the mobs/drops should be totally reserved for Tier A guilds, but don't expect too huge a piece of the pie either.
It's not a very big pie.

[Handull]

The one thing you are missing Alarti, is GMs need to also drastically shorten the mob windows. If GMs really want to support the player base, they should even make the server-agreed-rotation mobs variance free, and make the competitive mobs have variance (obviously there is no easy fix button for this, but it wouldn't be too much work). They should keep the extended window feature, to continue to help curb the urge to late window sock (if you truly know the last possible spawn time, its hard to not want to sock the last few minutes). If we are really serious about agreeing not to poopsock and DA stall, than there is no reason to have such long variance. If a 7day repop mob had a 24 hour total variance window, many other guilds would be able to track and compete for it, and mobs like Trakanon would have even short windows, making them even more appealing. Allowing the guilds that just want free loot to get *some* free loot (notably more than they are getting now), and making it worthwhile for other guilds to start tracking. If they do that, and we all agree to something similar to your OP, then we can all have fun for the relatively short time we have to wait for Velious.

GMs have put into place so many insane roadblocks that prevent guilds from getting along. 3(?) years of Kunark, 96+hour windows for raid mobs, etc. If we are really going to agree to play nice, they need to drastically reduce variance so other guilds can actually compete. Telling another guild to come compete on CT right now is insane due to the learning curve of the encounter and the long time commitment just to see his name on Track, let alone try to mobilize and get a shot at the mob.

With the current system, any non-rotation mobs that FE/IB and TMO agree not to engage will almost surely go to BDA, who is the next biggest guild and has the greatest ability to track a mob for 96+hours straight. (notice I said 'non-rotation' mobs)

[Sinestria]

Originally Posted by uygi [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I said that I think all mobs should at least sometimes... at least every once in a while... follow whatever distribution the Tier B guilds see fit. They would of course be welcome to compete against anyone at any other time as well, as Taken has demonstrated with Inny a lot recently.

Don't forget that there are people that have put in months of effort to earn their spot in line for a rare epic drop, tracking and attending very competitive encounters to earn it. How often do you really expect them to sit idly by while some other guild gets, in relative terms, what amounts to a freebie? I'm not saying the mobs/drops should be totally reserved for Tier A guilds, but don't expect too huge a piece of the pie either.
It's not a very big pie.

You chose to "compete" with them, that's on you. Asking for 50% of VS pops for the majority of the server to compete on is not unreasonable.

[Happyfeet]

Does anyone else think Rogean is getting paid to fuck with us and we're all on some sort of neckbeard Truman Show?

I think we're all being watched.

[Handull]

Originally Posted by Autotune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So you're saying, when Trak is in window, IB TMO & FE are going to be running off to spend time in VP for a silverwing pop or a xygoz pop?

What about VS?

CT?

Don't kid me with that, the majority of the VP raid targets aren't that valuable to those 3 guilds. When another guild can actually field a VP raid (which will probably be awhile) I don't see any of those 3 moving mains from VS/Trak/CT to fight it out for rot loot.

i would say at least for a little while, fe/ib is going to race for sw/xygoz, etc. There are some nice items on those mobs, and while some of them are very class limited, and thus tmo has fully farmed them for all their alts, we haven't seen them drop yet, and wouldn't mind getting our hands on a few. we probably wouldn't pull everyone off of trak ledge, but just the other day a few people who had their only vp keyed toon at trak gated to join in on vp kills, and then ran back to seb immediately after.

[Spitty]

Originally Posted by Sinestria [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You chose to "compete" with them, that's on you. Asking for 50% of VS pops for the majority of the server to compete on is not unreasonable.

It kind of is.

You can't expect competitive, top-tier guilds to leave mobs up while people attempt to compete for trak teeth in order to attempt to compete for VP fights. That is unreasonable to the core.

VP is inherently endgame. You either jump the hoops necessary to get in and then fight for your mobs, or you don't.

Throwing some VP handholding into this is just going to unnecessarily complicate things.

[Handull]

Originally Posted by Sinestria [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

A compromise would be "tier A will sit out on x amount of VS and x amount of CT". The compromise is that you get to 100% compete in all Trak kills (continued blocking of VP entry)

if fe/ib and tmo sit out on a vs with 96+ hour variance, who do you really think is going to sit there for 4+ days straight? maybe bda will, but most other guilds will spend a few hours there at prime time when a bored member is online. we need to get rid of most (but not all) of variance for smaller guilds to even think its worth it to track a mob for 4+days

[Autotune]

I got it, keep it the way it is and then make it so that on repops CAT A guilds must clear VP first before competing for nonVP targets.