OFFICIAL PROPOSAL from FE/TMO

[sanforce]

Originally Posted by -Catherin- [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

http://www.project1999.com/forums/sh...d.php?t=132779

current rough idea that has been proposed for a points system. read it over and make suggestions for changes and improvements if the proposal in this thread wasn't for you.

Read if you are for rotations, not competition. Socialism or capitalism?

[Hailto]

Originally Posted by Pheer [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Please tell me how that can be interpreted as anything other than a refusal to cooperate/compromise in order to pressure guilds towards a system of your personal preference. Even the last sentence alone comes off as a threat.

That's just how women compromise Pheer.

[Daldolma]

Originally Posted by Hailto [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Reasonable post, but you're forgetting the people that are having the biggest problem with this are upset because they want free uncontested mobs, not a more fair competitive playing field.

They want free uncontested mobs because the idea of a "contested mob" on P99 is totally ridiculous and unreasonable for anyone not willing to receive text messages about pixel dragons at 4AM on a Tuesday. That is NOT classic and not what anyone on a classic EverQuest server signed up for. So they'll take uncontested as it's the only way they can even see the classic content they're here for.

The idea of competition in the endgame on this server is a farce. Logging in fully buffed at the kill zone and killing trivial content within 7 minutes of its spawn time is not competition. It's a race, sure, but not one that requires any ability whatsoever beyond hitting "enter world" and pounding a macro.

Classic rewarded competence, organization, and mobilization. P99 rewards time investment and size. That's the problem. Everything else is window dressing.

[MaksimMazor]

Originally Posted by -Catherin- [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

http://www.project1999.com/forums/sh...d.php?t=132779

current rough idea that has been proposed for a points system. read it over and make suggestions for changes and improvements if the proposal in this thread wasn't for you.

Read if you want to kill 3 things a week

[Reguiy]

Originally Posted by Daldolma [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

How about instead of creating a system that apportions raid mobs based on the same non-classic ability to mobilize 30 camped alts at 4AM, with leftovers being handed out charity-style on a percentage basis to guilds unwilling to compete, we fix the horribly non-classic mechanics and CSR of the endgame?

No socking, no camped alts, and vastly reduced variance. Make guilds actually race to the mobs once they spawn, without a prohibitively insane variance that requires round-the-clock tracking. When you have guilds racing from ZI and having to clear their way instead of just racing to character select, you'll have a natural spread based on legitimate competition instead of rewarding time inputs and sheer size.

Fixing this with "agreements" is just socialism. Fix the mechanics and the rules and you'll have legitimate competition and fair access for all guilds.

There are a lot of problems with this. Trains would run rampant. There would need to be a specific place to engage. Then trains would still run rampant. Then there would be tons of leapfrogging. Then you would have to have a no leapfrog clause. If you had no leapfrogging, then you would have to have a rule where a guild had to legitimately clear. Then there would be no real way to regulate who was "clearing first." blah blah etc etc. You get the idea.

In summary, changing the spot where people will poopsock and log out alt armies wont help anything.

[Lazie]

Originally Posted by Autotune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Actually, it seems the majority of every guild is siding more towards the point system than FE & TMO's system. I'd think if IB stepped forward and made something more toward the point system or agreed to something like the point system than that would be the majority of guilds accepting a new system, the only hold back would be FE & TMO. Who is to say that the server and staff wouldn't move forward without those two guilds if all the others were in favor?

You are wrong on your numbers. Just saying.

[Yinikren]

Everyone is killing 3 things a week because that's what happens when you get asked to share mobs with 6 other guilds.

Problem, math? [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[-Catherin-]

You guys are a riot. Im all for compromise don't know how many times I can say it. Sorry you are so angry that I don't think this is the right one. Keep calling people who don't agree with you a socialist though you are just derailing your own cause. Good luck with this.

[Autotune]

Originally Posted by Lazie [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You are wrong on your numbers. Just saying.

Was not quite aware I posted any numbers, sir. I would like you to please direct me to the exact location as to where my analysis is incorrect and I invite you to correct it with the exact factual numbers.

[Reguiy]

Originally Posted by MaksimMazor [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Read if you want to kill 3 things a week

Not sure why I'm responding since I don't think I've ever read a productive post from you, but no one said those numbers would be set in stone. I would be happy if TMO/FE took that proposal and plugged in the numbers they think would be fair. Then we could go from there.