OFFICIAL PROPOSAL from FE/TMO

[goshozal]

Originally Posted by jaybone [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Sorry, i know you have to put food on the table.

My kids had McDonald's for Christmas because of you jerks.

[citizen1080]

Originally Posted by Autotune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I will act as Emperor of Project 1999.

All in favor?

Bob for Prez

[goshozal]

Originally Posted by Daldolma [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

How about instead of creating a system that apportions raid mobs based on the same non-classic ability to mobilize 30 camped alts at 4AM, with leftovers being handed out charity-style on a percentage basis to guilds unwilling to compete, we fix the horribly non-classic mechanics and CSR of the endgame?

No socking, no camped alts, and vastly reduced variance. Make guilds actually race to the mobs once they spawn, without a prohibitively insane variance that requires round-the-clock tracking. When you have guilds racing from ZI and having to clear their way instead of just racing to character select, you'll have a natural spread based on legitimate competition instead of rewarding time inputs and sheer size.

Fixing this with "agreements" is just socialism. Fix the mechanics and the rules and you'll have legitimate competition and fair access for all guilds.

Staff have stated on multiple occasions that they aren't fixing the mechanics. See the repops thread.

[Gnomersy]

Points system with all current raiding guilds.

One expansion slot becomes available every 3 months.
Non-members of original agreement must go through a vetting process from "guild coalition" to receive said expansion slot.
Expansion is not mandatory.
Need super majority from coalition ie 2/3 to join.

[Hailto]

Originally Posted by Daldolma [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

How about instead of creating a system that apportions raid mobs based on the same non-classic ability to mobilize 30 camped alts at 4AM, with leftovers being handed out charity-style on a percentage basis to guilds unwilling to compete, we fix the horribly non-classic mechanics and CSR of the endgame?

No socking, no camped alts, and vastly reduced variance. Make guilds actually race to the mobs once they spawn, without a prohibitively insane variance that requires round-the-clock tracking. When you have guilds racing from ZI and having to clear their way instead of just racing to character select, you'll have a natural spread based on legitimate competition instead of rewarding time inputs and sheer size.

Fixing this with "agreements" is just socialism. Fix the mechanics and the rules and you'll have legitimate competition and fair access for all guilds.

Reasonable post, but you're forgetting the people that are having the biggest problem with this are upset because they want free uncontested mobs, not a more fair competitive playing field.

[sanforce]

Originally Posted by Hailto [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Just give BDA/Taken the ability to GM spawn no drop items and be done with it. They can get their pixels and the rest of the server can have fun competing.

I like this idea. Let the real guilds compete, give "Tier B" whatever items they want outside of VP loot.

[Scoresby]

Originally Posted by Hitpoint [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So then half the people posting in this thread that think it is absurd and insulting that they should have to track and park, are still going to have to track and park. I don't see how that changes. And the top guilds are going to choose the same mobs all the time probably. We're going to end up with smaller guilds picking up scraps, not unlike this proposal.

I totally agree, that happens in both systems. Points are readily adaptable (I.e. simple) come Velious though and there is no artificial barrier between tier A and tier B.

[Pheer]

Originally Posted by -Catherin- [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

nobody is refusing to compromise. unless in your mind not agreeing with this current proposal is a complete refusal to compromise. that's really reaching

Seriously? You just posted this earlier:

Originally Posted by -Catherin- [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'll make this clear too.

Im more than willing to be raid suspended for a week, or a month, or longer, if that's what its going to take for a proper agreement for everyone. This doesn't hurt me. This doesn't hurt the smaller guilds. Taken looses the respectable number of targets we get but it also gives us a break from this toxicity in the promise of something better in the future for all of us.

Not sure if I can say that about everyone in the top Guilds though so you had better think about that.

Please tell me how that can be interpreted as anything other than a refusal to cooperate/compromise in order to pressure guilds towards a system of your personal preference. Even the last sentence alone comes off as a threat.

[Lazie]

Originally Posted by Pheer [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I don't understand why people have such a hardon for this point system. Its still possible for most of the casual guilds to never see a VS, Trak, or CT kill ever again depending on the more hardcore guilds' mob priority. Especially if IB/FE ever decided to part ways amidst such a system. Also what stops players from hardcore guilds apping their lesser known alts into other guilds for additional chances at loot once their main guild is done cleaning out their priority targets? Stealin and Derubael were debating about core groups of raiders splintering off from guilds to game the system when all they really have to do is slip their alts into a guild like BDA/Taken/Divinity and invest their time in whichever guild is after the most targets on that player's personal priority list.

What if for example draco is on low priority for a lot of guilds and one guild in particular has made it one of their main focuses to get as many BCGs as possible. Why not just app a caster alt into that guild and try to score a BCG for my main eventually since my main guild isnt prioritizing that mob anymore?

All the point system will do is limit the top 2 guilds to engage mobs and give the next 2 in line more mobs. On paper it looks great but it would just be a redistribution of wealth between the current 4 guilds already killing targets weekly.

[-Catherin-]

http://www.project1999.com/forums/sh...d.php?t=132779

current rough idea that has been proposed for a points system. read it over and make suggestions for changes and improvements if the proposal in this thread wasn't for you.