Raid Scene Rage Thread

[Pint]

Flooding the server with loot from repops decreases their value, this is bad for rmt guys, therefore bad for the servers health because remember rmt is a sign that a server is healthy and thriving.

[Tasslehofp99]

Originally Posted by Hitpoint [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You are proposing that we can't use alts or park more than one char? This is the first time I've said this since this whole thing started. People are starting to take this whole raid equality thing too far.

Essentially everyone fails to see the fine line between what is a satisfactory expected level of effort to compete and what amounts to guilds leaving mobs up for other guilds who are less motivated to kill at their convenience, which could be any amount of time...within reason.

I think any system in which certain guilds are being ruled out at certain times needs a time limit. For instance if a mob spawns and its up for over 2 hours...should be FFA. If you expect guilds to leave mobs up for days just to give another guild a shot, that's not happening most likely.

TMO and IB/FE have shown willingness to tone their intensity down, but at some point we still expect casual guilds to compete for mobs.


Ill probably get trolled for this but I'm relaying to you guys the reality of this situation. Half the raiders would support a rotation while the other half would never be open to such a thing. You guys really need to think middle ground here.


Before FE formed, it was way worse than it has been since. We were a collective of like minded individuals that were tired of seeing TMO take EVERYTHING, and we did our damn best to change what we could. Did we beat TMO? Nope! Id say they beat themselves, but we did sure give them a proper run for their money most months, despite what the forum trolls will admit. One could tell a similar narrative about TMO's rise to the top and early clashes with IB. You don't get to kill raid mobs without ANY effort, that is an unfair expectation for anyone to have.

Stop bullshitting about point systems and such complicated rule sets; realize we have a huge opportunity to make p99 a better place to play and get 'er done.

In otherwords find that middle ground, you won't get raid pixels without putting in effort. By effort I don't mean the insane lengths that we have seen TMO&FE/IB go to; but show something. You can't expect the upper guilds to let off the gas in their car if you aren't willing to upgrade from a bicycle, figuratively speaking.

I realize that the server has been ultimately oppressed for 2+ years, but a serious mistake would be to try and punish everyone who wishes to play more hours per day than you.


Make it fucking work people!

[goshozal]

Originally Posted by baramur [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You getting into semantics now. Don't you really mean to say TMO/FE/IB would love killing 4x as many vp mobs each month. Let us get realistic, TMO could have ended this 2 years ago when they were crowned king of raiders and IB left server for mac. They then at that time could have turned to the server and said we will sit out 1 week of every month to let the rest of the server raid uncontested by us on every raid mob, and we hope the other 3 weeks you will compete with us and show up competition. But instead they took every single raid mob they could, and this is the result. If they had been just a little sharing, it never would have came to this, and now that its on the table people are going to overpush for all the mobs they feel they have been deprived.

I have two responses to this:

1) If you think the domination of the server raid scene was somehow unique to the people in TMO and would never have happened with any other guild, then you have such a weak grasp of human nature in competitive situations that I really cannot help you.

2) Of course TMO and FE/IB will get more mobs if there are repops. But so will everyone else. The big advantage to repops is that it gives people more without taking away from anyone. Nobody has to sit out. This makes the whole concept easier to swallow for all parties, which is something that we obviously need considering how far the "negotiation" threads have gone.

Originally Posted by baramur [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

BUT, I will not lay all the blaim on TMO, because this server could have PUT IN EFFORT and fought back, but they laid down and died and cried. Now all that being said everyone do yourselves and the server a favor.

There was considerable effort put into "fighting back." TMO was still winning up until the point of staff intervention. But again, this is all entirely beside the point being made about repops.

Originally Posted by baramur [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Start of simple and build it slowly and smartly. Why do people think this has to be set in stone immediately. Work on it. Try out different things. Work WITH the big guilds. Make tweaks, modify things, BUT DO NOT try to overstretch it right of the bat. Be smart. Don't test how much weight the boat will hold before sinking right away.

Nowhere have I suggested that this idea is the one-stop solution. The last part of my previous post was that this is an easy step in the right direction.

Frankly, I don't see how we could start any simpler than adding more repops with no trains in VP and see how it pans out. Nobody has to watch 2-hour windows, nobody has to keep track of rotations, nobody has to spend points or anything. There's more to go around, with an enforced expectation of less shenanigans, and the standard penalty for shenanigans hurts more. Easy peasy.

[Retti_]

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[JerSar]

I read your post, but i think the real problem, the very bottom fundamental one, is that people in leadership positions just need to compromise.

If they can't then things happen, probably.

Simple as that I think.

[Vermicelli]

Didn't read. Donut raid. For a raisin.

[Nuggie]

From a guy who has no foot in the raid scene:

screw it, dont compromise and dont get raid zones/targets in velious.

OR

Get the guild leads in a chat room(or skype or whatever) and hash something out and get raid targets.

i like what baramur put in last. start small. keep it simple.

[Ravager]

Originally Posted by Tasslehofp99 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

TMO and IB/FE have shown willingness to tone their intensity down, but at some point we still expect casual guilds to compete for mobs.


Ill probably get trolled for this but I'm relaying to you guys the reality of this situation. Half the raiders would support a rotation while the other half would never be open to such a thing. You guys really need to think middle ground here.

The half that want to compete should play on a server where competition is the point. There's no reason everyone can't have what they want when there's 2 servers of the same content, one of them being where taking everything you want is ingrained in the culture. What people here who can't share need to do is admit that what they really want is the illusion of being the best at something.

[Swish]

Originally Posted by Retti_ [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

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lol'd... and another!

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[bluejam]

Originally Posted by Splorf22 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So I have been reading/flaming the various raid scene threads. Let me sum them up for the casual scum reader who doesn't feel like immersing themself into the sea of pseudo-RNF sewage:

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I consider people worried about the server being flooded by loot utterly hilarious. it already is! simulated repops is the way to go. get your classic on.

don't you realize this is just one huge beta until the content is polished enough to open up another server? I very much doubt Nilbog and Rogean feel the desire to hop onto the future bloated P99 once they're done managing, coding, whatever.