Raid Scene Rage Thread

[goshozal]

Originally Posted by Alarti0001 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You are embarrassing yourself now.

Ouch, that's coming from Alarti. And he's right.

[Troubled]

Originally Posted by Alarti0001 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You are embarrassing yourself now.

Definitely interested in some real feedback from him instead of troll posts. Sorry if that's embarrassing?

[Splorf22]

Originally Posted by Troubled [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Not at all. Why so on the offensive? Still waiting to hear what other guilds want to bring to the table. Maybe stop criticizing and bring something yourself. I personally don't think rotations are the best idea, but maybe they're the best idea for all involved? I dunno. Act like we want the raid scene tailored only to us some more.

How the fuck can you read through this thread and not realize that I am proposing simulated repops? I mean I only mention it in every single post.

[khanable]

Hasn't the staff stated numerous times now we really won't be seeing a weekly repop?

It would be nice but we're moving from guilds talking to guilds to solve issues to guilds looking to developers to solve issues, trivial or not

Probably not the direction that will gain favorability with the server staff..

[Troubled]

Originally Posted by Splorf22 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

How the fuck can you read through this thread and not realize that I am proposing simulated repops? I mean I only mention it in every single post.

That's great. Repops. Not currently happening though. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[quido]

I'd like to see a repop every month.

[goshozal]

Originally Posted by khanable [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Hasn't the staff stated numerous times now we really won't be seeing a weekly repop?

It would be nice but we're moving from guilds talking to guilds to solve issues to guilds looking to developers to solve issues, trivial or not

Probably not the direction that will gain favorability with the server staff..

Exactly!

The server's guilds did not arrive at the status quo out of a vacuum. Things progressed to where they are because of how the rules/repops/variance and other factors were set... by the server staff.

The staff's stance here, with all due respect, doesn't make much sense.

You've got a situation where nobody can get all the loot they want, and Rogean is saying something along the lines of "make an agreement to share the toys or we'll release velious with no toys for anyone."

So, of course, eveybody's only setting forth agreement terms that benefit themselves.

And the only solution set forth so far that effectively means more loot to go around for everyone... is the one the staff won't do!

Loraen has some very valid, non-troll points. I'm not saying a weekly repop would solve all problems, but it's the only solution that, at the bottom line, reduces pressure on everyone to relentlessly compete for every target. No enforcement or windows or points or what-have-you necessary. And let's not forget that weekly repops are both classic and really, really FUN!

Think about it for a minute. TMO/IB/FE would have an easier time letting go of targets like Sev/Tal/Gore/Naggy if there were 4 extra pops a month. TMO/IB/FE would have less motivation to slaughter each other for pixels in VP if there were 4 more rounds of pops a month. A-Team would have more chances at what they want - targets without tracking/batphones - if there were 4 more rounds of pops a month. BDA and AG and Lord Bob and Taken would have more chances to progress as they please if there were 4 more rounds of pops a month.

And if anyone decides to play dickbags with training and shenanigans: suspend them! Suspensions hurt more when there are 4 more rounds of pops a month!

That can only be a step in the right direction. And it doesn't look like a hard step to take at all... so why on earth is it not on the table?

[Enxienty]

Is this everquest

[Hitpoint]

You are proposing that we can't use alts or park more than one char? This is the first time I've said this since this whole thing started. People are starting to take this whole raid equality thing too far.

[baramur]

Originally Posted by goshozal [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Exactly!

The server's guilds did not arrive at the status quo out of a vacuum. Things progressed to where they are because of how the rules/repops/variance and other factors were set... by the server staff.

The staff's stance here, with all due respect, doesn't make much sense.

You've got a situation where nobody can get all the loot they want, and Rogean is saying something along the lines of "make an agreement to share the toys or we'll release velious with no toys for anyone."

So, of course, eveybody's only setting forth agreement terms that benefit themselves.

And the only solution set forth so far that effectively means more loot to go around for everyone... is the one the staff won't do!

Loraen has some very valid, non-troll points. I'm not saying a weekly repop would solve all problems, but it's the only solution that, at the bottom line, reduces pressure on everyone to relentlessly compete for every target. No enforcement or windows or points or what-have-you necessary. And let's not forget that weekly repops are both classic and really, really FUN!

Think about it for a minute. TMO/IB/FE would have an easier time letting go of targets like Sev/Tal/Gore/Naggy if there were 4 extra pops a month. TMO/IB/FE would have less motivation to slaughter each other for pixels in VP if there were 4 more rounds of pops a month. A-Team would have more chances at what they want - targets without tracking/batphones - if there were 4 more rounds of pops a month. BDA and AG and Lord Bob and Taken would have more chances to progress as they please if there were 4 more rounds of pops a month.

And if anyone decides to play dickbags with training and shenanigans: suspend them! Suspensions hurt more when there are 4 more rounds of pops a month!

That can only be a step in the right direction. And it doesn't look like a hard step to take at all... so why on earth is it not on the table?

You getting into semantics now. Don't you really mean to say TMO/FE/IB would love killing 4x as many vp mobs each month. Let us get realistic, TMO could have ended this 2 years ago when they were crowned king of raiders and IB left server for mac. They then at that time could have turned to the server and said we will sit out 1 week of every month to let the rest of the server raid uncontested by us on every raid mob, and we hope the other 3 weeks you will compete with us and show up competition. But instead they took every single raid mob they could, and this is the result. If they had been just a little sharing, it never would have came to this, and now that its on the table people are going to overpush for all the mobs they feel they have been deprived. BUT, I will not lay all the blaim on TMO, because this server could have PUT IN EFFORT and fought back, but they laid down and died and cried. Now all that being said everyone do yourselves and the server a favor.

Start of simple and build it slowly and smartly. Why do people think this has to be set in stone immediately. Work on it. Try out different things. Work WITH the big guilds. Make tweaks, modify things, BUT DO NOT try to overstretch it right of the bat. Be smart. Don't test how much weight the boat will hold before sinking right away.