Proposition For Raid Rules - Input Requested

[Yinikren]

I'll make a thread when I get off of work tonight outlining the revised weighted points system I could work on. Other people with their ideas can do the same. Only pertinent thoughts to the idea posted should be said in the thread, so it doesn't get spammed to nowhere fast. This way people don't have to wade through 43 pages of discussion to find the ideas being discussed.

I encourage everyone else to make their own threads about their ideas for a fix so the conversations can be kept separate and clean.

It'll probably be a few days before we get everyone discussing things in a vent server. TMOs leader is out of town and I still want to post in my own guilds forums as well and get their input. I am not the spokesperson, I just remodeled Xastens bag idea into something that sounds good to me.

[Ravager]

I wonder if all the raiding guilds agreed that TMO shouldn't have raid mobs for 2 years, to balance the scales as it were, that Rogean would enforce that?

[HeallunRumblebelly]

I realize, was being facetious =D So in real terms who does that mean?

IB, FE, TMO, AG, Taken, Europa, BDA, Div, knights who say ni, doljon...? Because I mean, people who haven't even started at a target would want to vote if a rotation is a real option. Lots of people haven't raided on this server due to the difficulty of it. With even more people trying to go for the same few targets, it'll only compound the problems for most of the guilds.

[HeallunRumblebelly]

Originally Posted by Ravager [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I wonder if all the raiding guilds agreed that TMO shouldn't have raid mobs for 2 years, to balance the scales as it were, that Rogean would enforce that?

I'd imagine the rules would have to be universal. But he just might :P

[Autotune]

Originally Posted by HeallunRumblebelly [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I realize, was being facetious =D So in real terms who does that mean?

IB, FE, TMO, AG, Taken, Europa, BDA, Div, knights who say ni, doljon...? Because I mean, people who haven't even started at a target would want to vote if a rotation is a real option. Lots of people haven't raided on this server due to the difficulty of it. With even more people trying to go for the same few targets, it'll only compound the problems for most of the guilds.

What I imagine, or what I'd think the staff would do, is have a discussion with the main guilds that wish to participate. They'd all have a voice towards what system they would like to put forward. The staff and guilds would then hash out the best implementation of that system and then put it into effect.

The staff are the ones who should say which guilds do an don't have a voice in this as every guild would have their own agenda behind their reasons to include/exclude guilds.

[HeallunRumblebelly]

Originally Posted by Autotune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What I imagine, or what I'd think the staff would do, is have a discussion with the main guilds that wish to participate. They'd all have a voice towards what system they would like to put forward. The staff and guilds would then hash out the best implementation of that system and then put it into effect.

The staff are the ones who should say which guilds do an don't have a voice in this as every guild would have their own agenda behind their reasons to include/exclude guilds.

Mm hmm. I'm just trying to figure out where the balance would lie if a vote of all available options were taken depending on who was brought to the table. Certainly less hectic than it is now, but how much so? It's all just conjecture, but it does make me wonder.

[Autotune]

I'd hope that the staff/rogean wouldn't say raid guilds and then only include the well established raid guilds when they want to effectively make the raid scene available to everyone. The biased top enders will only look out for themselves while throwing a bone to the people who aren't tagged with them and the ones at the bottom will want the top guys to cut their right arm, left leg, and both nuts off to satisfy their thirst.


aka, need a good representation from the top, middle, and bottom or you need to just include everyone.

[quido]

Let's talk meeting in another couple days. So many people are still out of town for the holidays (myself included) and consequently haven't given this the attention it deserves.

[Magicant]

We would be more than happy to talk/discuss with any of the guild leaders about the issues in the raid scene moving forward. If you would like to use our vent I would be more than happy to facilitate it. If you would like this you can PM me or tell me in game, just ask any IB member if I am on. There is no yelling or childish acting however and it will be limited to ~2 members that have authority to make decisions for their guild.

I would prefer the server staff be involved if they are going to be enforcing this. I think in order to support so many guilds in this community the staff would need to join us to discuss changing the mob spawn mechanics (IE repops, lowers variance etc)

Please create a private forum and give access to only the leadership so the staff can weigh in and we can have a discussion. I do not believe these 50 page public threads are productive.

I am currently unsure regarding who the leadership of the TMO organization currently is. I got 5 different answers from their members when just asking randomly.

Swarws

[Troubled]

Originally Posted by quido [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Let's talk meeting in another couple days. So many people are still out of town for the holidays (myself included) and consequently haven't given this the attention it deserves.

Fair enough. Until then, we'll continue to confine and refine ideas.