Proposition For Raid Rules - Input Requested - Page 32

Yinikren · #**311** 12-27-2013, 10:16 PM

All epic mobs should cost the same, except for probably scale dropping dragons since they are droppable. This can always go up for server vote. But it shouldn't tier epics.

HeallunRumblebelly · #**312** 12-27-2013, 10:16 PM

The devil is certainly in the details in these points systems. Please explain how in your system points would be distributed to players/guilds ?

Yinikren · #**313** 12-27-2013, 10:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Autotune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Point system needs a much better tiered system per raid target than what some of you are suggesting. It's not about limiting a guild to 1 or 2 targets. it's about making them choose between a few high value targets, a bunch of low value targets, or a mix, but keeping any one guild from having a monopoly. While also mixing in some strategy for low level and high level guilds.

I see no reason why a guild should not be able to kill pd, vs, trak and inny in a single week, but i do see a reason why they shouldn't be able to take all of VP, ct, vs, trak, inny, fay, naggy, vox, and tal in a single week.

Point costs on the mobs would be decided on the server, I did just pull numbers out of my ass to show the system. The idea still stands - a guild can work on epics, farm VP loot, or kill trak for keys, but not all three. They've run out of points for the week.

radditsu · #**314** 12-27-2013, 10:19 PM

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Soo I have a buddy.

If everyone has an Epic weapon are they really "Epic" anymore or just another random quest.

The idea behind "Epic" weapons were that only the top people on the server would have them. This everyone should have a shot at epics is crap..

I am all for giving raid mobs to all the raiding guilds provided they "Work" for them.. (Not meaning we need to continue like we are with TMO/FE/IB camping out and running in the second any mob spawns)

I am not for giving mobs like Trakanon to "Carebares R Us" just because they asked for a spot in a silly rotation or had 400 tokens to spend after playing wack-a-mole for 6 months.

Every guild has an ability of what it can do. If you are a zerg. You have numbers but must distribute loot to more people...but tracking is easier. Small elite guilds have less people to track with... but gear faster and could get mobilized.

Some guilds may wipe. Some may be awesome. I think if guilds got smaller it is nothing but a good thing tbh. Zerg was a cuss word on my live server.

Yinikren · #**315** 12-27-2013, 10:22 PM

I think any mob capable of raiding, with solid interest in raiding, should be able to put in for points. Family guilds who happen to find a mob up shouldn't be penalized, I don't think, but every guild with the desire to raid regularly should be on the point system. The idea is to limit mob intake on a per guild basis, not penalize a small guild who happens to stumble on a naggy no one has killed yet.

Splinter guilds will be watched by CSR to make sure they aren't splinters of a bigger guild trying to get more mobs. I am also for guilds having to be active a certain period of time before they can get raid points. No random guilds forming like bob guild all of a sudden saying they can claim mobs - they earn the points.

radditsu · #**316** 12-27-2013, 10:22 PM

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Originally Posted by HeallunRumblebelly [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The devil is certainly in the details in these points systems. Please explain how in your system points would be distributed to players/guilds ?

Mine is just a flat system. You have a potental of x amount of raids. This is to get hardcores to agree that they get x raids a month. If they are really good at mob killin. TMO and FE/ib are not going away. Their machine s need filling.

HeallunRumblebelly · #**317** 12-27-2013, 10:24 PM

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Every guild has an ability of what it can do. If you are a zerg. You have numbers but must distribute loot to more people...but tracking is easier. Small elite guilds have less people to track with... but gear faster and could get mobilized.

Some guilds may wipe. Some may be awesome. I think if guilds got smaller it is nothing but a good thing tbh. Zerg was a cuss word on my live server.

Split guild into 30 hard pipe hittin *****s per guild, rotate targets / tracking among them, share droppables. Literally nothing changes other than adding more tags.

radditsu · #**318** 12-27-2013, 10:24 PM

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Split guild into 30 hard pipe hittin *****s per guild, rotate targets / tracking among them, share droppables. Literally nothing changes other than adding more tags.

Collusion should not be tolerated at all.

Autotune · #**319** 12-27-2013, 10:25 PM

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VP should really not be included if there is no training and FE/IB have sufficient force now

VP should definitely count, but every dragon in there other than PD should be the same value as kunark world dragons (very small).

However, I see no reason charging two guilds for working together for a single dragon that no one wants and no other guild is able to compete for it (because they aren't keyed). Promote good will between the guilds by providing a benefit to joint raids.

HeallunRumblebelly · #**320** 12-27-2013, 10:25 PM

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Collusion should not be tolerated at all.

Then all collusion will not be tolerated. Even barring collusion, these larger guilds may in fact split to simply have a larger share of the loot, leaving the exact same people with their hands empty.