Raid Scene Poll

[radditsu]

Originally Posted by Autotune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Look, you understand nothing about what TMO went through to get to where they are, you don't understand why they even continue to raid and you don't know why they act the way they do toward the rest of the server. Literally a waste of my time trying to inform you.

I do. I know. I understand. Fuck your troubles.




I am happy about the vp change tho. It should be less of a shitshow and people can get some sleep

[Versus]

Just type /cry, it will make you feel better.

[Autotune]

Originally Posted by radditsu [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I do. I know. I understand. Fuck your troubles.




I am happy about the vp change tho. It should be less of a shitshow and people can get some sleep

Yeah some people know and they have legitimate responses which cause TMO to just turn on the troll, but some of these guys seem like they just go around pulling shit off these forums and regurgitate it with out knowing a damn thing.

I'm not defending TMO and I'm not advocating for these other guys wanting to raid. However, if people knew each side they could actually put a food forward in solving the problems both sides create and maybe come to some sort of agreement.

Yes, the VP change is long overdue, just like Velious.

[Ravager]

Originally Posted by Autotune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Some maybe, some wouldn't. The gear isn't a big deal to the ones who like to raid and experience the camaraderie that goes along with it. There is a difference between raiding for loot and raiding for the fun of it and I can tell you no one in TMO that's been there holding it down since the start cares what the rest of the server gets or doesn't get. There are very few, but even those, raid because they enjoy the competition.

Seems to me there's two kinds of people in TMO: those who like to play with a stacked deck and those who don't like to play against a stacked deck.

If it isn't about loot for them, I just don't see what's so fun about the way they play the game. Is parking out at Trak 2-3 days a week and killing it in 30 seconds 200 times really so fun? And if TMO doesn't like to play the game this way (I've seen numerous posts in the past where they say they only do that because IB/FE/BDA/VD etc are doing it), then have they ever approached other guilds to negotiate these things?

[cyryllis]

Remove variances and make instanced zones for casual guilds who can have lockout timers and rotations. Problem solved.

[Elderan]

Originally Posted by cyryllis [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Remove variances and make instanced zones for casual guilds who can have lockout timers and rotations. Problem solved.

Honestly might as well.

Just give guilds the ability to spawn instances once a week for 500k plat or something.

[Autotune]

Originally Posted by Ravager [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Seems to me there's two kinds of people in TMO: those who like to play with a stacked deck and those who don't like to play against a stacked deck.

If it isn't about loot for them, I just don't see what's so fun about the way they play the game. Is parking out at Trak 2-3 days a week and killing it in 30 seconds 200 times really so fun? And if TMO doesn't like to play the game this way (I've seen numerous posts in the past where they say they only do that because IB/FE/BDA/VD etc are doing it), then have they ever approached other guilds to negotiate these things?

TMO was more talkative to guilds in the past and even tried as a guild to reach out slowly by not going after a certain raid target each week. That was met with people claiming it wasn't good enough, that it was some kind of PR trick, and it ultimately just pissed everyone in TMO off because it just ended up being a giant headache. Why give up a raid target just to have people bitch at you for doing it when you can kill it and have them bitch at you?

There are grudges held by TMO towards other guilds from years ago and those same guilds hold grudges against them. TMO didn't decide to just start treating these people like shit, they earned it and when those people spread to all the different guilds so did the grudges, to the point it became a Server VS TMO thing.

[Ravager]

Originally Posted by Autotune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

TMO was more talkative to guilds in the past and even tried as a guild to reach out slowly by not going after a certain raid target each week. That was met with people claiming it wasn't good enough, that it was some kind of PR trick, and it ultimately just pissed everyone in TMO off because it just ended up being a giant headache. Why give up a raid target just to have people bitch at you for doing it when you can kill it and have them bitch at you?

There are grudges held by TMO towards other guilds from years ago and those same guilds hold grudges against them. TMO didn't decide to just start treating these people like shit, they earned it and when those people spread to all the different guilds so did the grudges, to the point it became a Server VS TMO thing.

I didn't mean about offering 'hand outs' or even to discuss rotations. I meant just trying to negotiate rules of engagement, like having guilds promise not to park toons, or DA stall tank etc. I know there's trust issues going both ways, which makes it difficult, but it's gotta start somehow and somewhere.

[Autotune]

Originally Posted by Ravager [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I didn't mean about offering 'hand outs' or even to discuss rotations. I meant just trying to negotiate rules of engagement, like having guilds promise not to park toons, or DA stall tank etc. I know there's trust issues going both ways, which makes it difficult, but it's gotta start somehow and somewhere.

TMO and IB often made and held to agreements (even rotations). As far as reaching out to the other guilds, well the grudges kept that from happening after TMO had no equal.

[fastboy21]

TMO should just deguild...at this point, the name is been so dragged through the mud that no amount of good behavior is going to undo the years of problems (real or perceived) that most of the server credits to them.