Surrealism vs Realism vs Fantasy.

[theaetatus]

As you said, "Surreal is about representing reality...". It's through an unreal perspective but based on reality.

[Barkingturtle]

Originally Posted by myriverse [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No. Surreal is about representing reality in a completely illogical, irrational, fantastical way, like vacuum cleaners made of vaginas and dicks and shit. Even fantasy is deeply grounded in a very logical reality. Surrealism is not.

Complete illogicality, irrationality and fantasticity would be called abstract -- not surreal. There are no vacuums, dicks, nor vaginas without logical, rational, non-fantastic reality. Without some semblance of reality, you're looking at triangles and colors which represent the concept of a vacuum, a dick, a cunt, etc. Ain't nobody got time for that.

[runlvlzero]

Originally Posted by Barkingturtle [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Complete illogicality, irrationality and fantasticity would be called abstract -- not surreal. There are no vacuums, dicks, nor vaginas without logical, rational, non-fantastic reality. Without some semblance of reality, you're looking at triangles and colors which represent the concept of a vacuum, a dick, a cunt, etc. Ain't nobody got time for that.

[Ahldagor]

if it's good to play on mushrooms then it's a good game.

[planeofdreams]

Originally Posted by Barkingturtle [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Complete illogicality, irrationality and fantasticity would be called abstract -- not surreal. There are no vacuums, dicks, nor vaginas without logical, rational, non-fantastic reality. Without some semblance of reality, you're looking at triangles and colors which represent the concept of a vacuum, a dick, a cunt, etc. Ain't nobody got time for that.

(Basing these sentiments on 2d media.)
Abstraction isn't irrationality either. Even if you're just talking about automatism, where people try to draw, etc. according to unconscious impulses, etc.; the movements of paint through brush work or the scratching of pencil on paper are all items in a Feature List that can be used to analyze the complex object we call a picture. That even the most gestural of surrealist works are systematized, where the random accidental features are subsumed by the work (Frottage pictures, of Max Ernst come to mind.) , proves at least to me that there is little illogical in the works of an real artist.

Originally Posted by theaetatus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

As you said, "Surreal is about representing reality...". It's through an unreal perspective but based on reality.

Some of my favorite Surrealist paintings recombine mundane items in a dreamlike setting, or set up a context where the Real objects taken together become Surreal objects by the nature of their being together unexpectedly or being seemingly in contradiction. See: Rene Magritte. "Ceci est une pipe. Ceci n'est pas une pipe."

[planeofdreams]

p.s. why did you post this in RnF. Too good a topic for this sub-forum.