IB takes 80% of the loot, shares 50% of the raid suspension.

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by Hitpoint [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Your shaman ran in right after TMO wiped. You can see the person recording do a /who and see 7 or 8 tmo in zone. He ran in and pulled Trakanon to below the ledge and died there. Obviously we were going to get agro. It's the same exact thing. TMOs defense for this wasn't even that it was an accident. You guys just submitted some crappy fraps of one of our players getting killed at VS pit by a train. GMs decided those two violations were equal and canceled each other out.

And even if it wasn't GMs have ruled than an accidental train is just as bad. We've been suspended from Trakanon for accidentally training a single jug onto the ledge before. As I'm sure you know.




I don't know anything about Retus except that he joined the guild a month and a half ago and that he had been a member before. I'm talking to two officers who say he never has been an FE officer. Like I said, he is definitely not an officer now. Why are you even asking about this? Tiggles said an FE officer is the one that trained. This is quite obviously not the case.

Its an idiots defense to show an accidental train, and compare it to an intentional train. Ipoql didnt even train the raid anyways, goremaw did and he tried to flop to cancel aggro as soon as he saw fte message. FD failed as he was being attacked while feign'd. That is a mistake, an accident. Rhodes was intentional training and is in now way comparable. Also, you originally said that there wasnt a punishment and now you say that there was going to be a punishment on both ends but they canceled each other out. When do you intend to start telling the truth.

Simple facts, FE/IB have been complicit in multiple acts of training(intentional and otherwise), kiting of raid mobs, KSing on FTE, and most recently stealing aggro on an FTE and kiting a mob away from raids. Not to mention Draco stalling(Which BDA basically saved you from).
TMO has not been convicted of these action with intent. FE/IB has shown a consistent pattern of bad behavior. TMO hasn't. That is why you are raid suspended, I suggest you take these 5 days and think of ways to clean up your act. You got off easy with a 5 day suspension imo, Happy Holidays.

Have mistakes happened on raids? Yep. Will mistakes continue to happen on raids? Yep.

Intentional Ksing, kiting away raid mobs and nuke aggroing to train a raid....are NOT mistakes.

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by Hitpoint [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Well the main difference that I see, is that a FE bard brought draco to the spot where a FE raid was going to log in and kill it. You see, when you bring a mob which you have engaged, to a different guilds raid, that's a train, instead of a pull. Seeing as how they are not allowed to kill it.

More simple facts. IF BDA did NOT engage Draco...that bard would have died or kited. We will never know what you would have done because BDA jumped the gun.

[arsenalpow]

I guess it is legit

GUILD MOTD: Ferns - FE/IB is not to engage any targets until the Tuesday 12/17 11:59pm EST. Send tells to an Officer if you have any questions. From now on, triple DKP will be awarded to the player submitting Fraps that "saves the day" || Saturday Sky: BRING MAINS PREFERABLY. Ports/Batphone 12:30pm EST, 1pm Start ||| There is a link on the HUB for installing fraps. Everyone needs to have fraps downloaded in the next week. || Take advantage of this time to keep recruiting. [Updated 2pm EST Friday]

TMO deserves anything IB/FE is being given but I guess staff wasn't keeping score until recently

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by arsenalpow [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I guess it is legit

GUILD MOTD: Ferns - FE/IB is not to engage any targets until the Tuesday 12/17 11:59pm EST. Send tells to an Officer if you have any questions. From now on, triple DKP will be awarded to the player submitting Fraps that "saves the day" || Saturday Sky: BRING MAINS PREFERABLY. Ports/Batphone 12:30pm EST, 1pm Start ||| There is a link on the HUB for installing fraps. Everyone needs to have fraps downloaded in the next week. || Take advantage of this time to keep recruiting. [Updated 2pm EST Friday]

TMO deserves anything IB/FE is being given but I guess staff wasn't keeping score until recently

FE's solution to dirty raiding.. try to catch others!
Clean up your act! TMO's whistle is clean!
even if chest doesn't think so lol!

[arsenalpow]

Originally Posted by Alarti0001 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

FE's solution to dirty raiding.. try to catch others!
Clean up your act! TMO's whistle is clean!
even if chest doesn't think so lol!

motherfucker you know your whistle isn't clean, claiming otherwise is obviously false. You really do have suspended officers (sentenza much?) and you really have been suspended from raids for multiple days at a time, these things happened, why even try to pretend like it didn't?

[sanforce]

Originally Posted by arsenalpow [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

TMO deserves anything IB/FE is being given but I guess staff wasn't keeping score until recently

That's dumb chest. Recently FE has KSd 3 FTEs, stolen TMOs FTE against CT and kited it away, and then blatantly trained the entire TMO raid force on Trak ledge.

TMO deserves a week suspension for getting screwed over numerous times?

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by arsenalpow [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

motherfucker you know your whistle isn't clean, claiming otherwise is obviously false. You really do have suspended officers (sentenza much?) and you really have been suspended from raids for multiple days at a time, these things happened, why even try to pretend like it didn't?

Motherfucker, My whistle is very clean. Fazlazen is suspended from his own actions. Its not guild related at all. Not to mention Sirken raid suspension is much harder to get then the Amelinda/Ambrotos(VD/BDA) days. Comparing 1 raid environment to another is not acceptable. Unless you really want to talk about how many people in BDA(One of the highest percentages) were suspended for SEQ use.

[doraf]

Originally Posted by Alarti0001 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

FE's solution to dirty raiding.. try to catch others!
Clean up your act! TMO's whistle is clean!
even if chest doesn't think so lol!

You wouldn't have made this post if TMO's whistle was clean.

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by sanforce [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That's dumb chest. Recently FE has KSd 3 FTEs, stolen TMOs FTE against CT and kited it away, and then blatantly trained the entire TMO raid force on Trak ledge.

TMO deserves a week suspension for getting screwed over numerous times?

Yes we are TMO. Of course half of BDA deserved to be banned for SEQ use but hey, whose counting!

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by doraf [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You wouldn't have made this post if TMO's whistle was clean.

Huh? Why? When TMO gets hit for something we stress clean raiding and being careful with pulls etc. We don't stress frapserquest when we fuck up haha.