If you think US Healthcare is anything other than an embarrassment, you're delusional

[Langrisserx]

Govt healthcare? Tricare, medicare

Non profit management of system? Govt

Remove ins co? one less obstruction between you and your doctor.

i can see why you'd be scared, i want the pencil pushers to always decide whether me dying affects their bottom line negatively.

omg so stupid. glad u dont count.

[JayN]

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from my disabled neighbor neighbor thanks ACA

EAT A DICK TEAPARTY and NEOCONS

[Kagatob]

Originally Posted by Langrisserx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No thanks. Thats what its called.

Anyone who uses the word Obamacare is mentally ill, while we're slinging the pyschoanalysis.

Also, all girls on the internet are guys. Your fake vagin holds no sway agatha2

Even Barack Obama calls the affordable healthcare act "Obamacare". Obamacare is one of the default words in my android's spellchecker.

I'm not disagreeing with your other points at all,I wholeheartedly agree with them, just not that one nuance.

[Langrisserx]

bottom line? unlimited MENTAL healthcare ... you want people like me to get help or not? I'd be on this program, actually I'm in Washington State.

any more bright ideas republicans? mental health = mass shootings.

you dont want gun control you dont want healthcare ... what do you want... a big COCK

[GradnerLives]

Originally Posted by r00t [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Don't try to bullshit a bullshitter.

The median wait time in Canada to see a special physician is a little over four weeks with 89.5% waiting fewer than 90 days.[55]

Dr. Brian Day was once quoted as saying "This is a country in which dogs can get a hip replacement in under a week and in which humans can wait two-to-three years."[58]

Wikipedia copy-pasta.

I read that one earlier after I posted and didn't cherry pick. Your country didn't deliver hard numbers on the same points so there's no real comparison there. Those numbers also don't sound outrageous to me. A specialist could be anything. If it's life threatening, you're going to get to see someone quick.

Similarly a median isn't an average, and with a greater percentage of rural population you can absolutely expect the middle number to be quite high, much higher than the average by a long-shot. I'm sure the waits in nunavut and northern quebec are crazy. I'm sure they are in alaska too.

Dr Brian Day's remark is really just that, so I don't see why you chose that rather than pretty well anything else quoted on that page. Our own health minister throws down some serious disses at one point. 2-3 years for hip replacement is stupid, maybe he has like one example of this that he trots out to push some 2-tier public/private system conservative party jive. Obviously not anything close to a reliable or accurate statistic but sure, we have great vets too! My brother's cat had surgery recently and they were in and out the same day I believe.

Lower life expectancy, higher IMR and deaths with treatable conditions. Even with more doctors per person and (apparently) shorter wait times. You tell me how that's better.

[DrKvothe]

Lang, was mr sheen your data set?

Average medical costs are going to go up. That's what happens when we decide to actually allow chronically sick to receive health care. It costs money to put air bags and seatbelts in cars, but total cost isn't everything. You are better insured without health insurance under the ACA (just through the assurance that you can get insurance after you get sick) than you were with a typical policy before.

You're also going to pay more if you're a young, healthy male. You're now expected to share the cost of reproductive healthcare. I already stated the logic of this and gave my support.

Currently, the law is a framework with good intention and many obvious flaws. For example, why do we need a national website when you're only allowed to choose amongst in state insurers? Why not hire multiple companies, state by state, to set up websites? The companies that fuck up can be fired and replaced by those that successfully met their goals.

Overconsumption of healthcare is a product of over insuring a population, but the problem isn't checkups, medical implants, or drugs. People don't run out to get a pacemaker just because they're free; demand is hard capped at the actual medical needs of our population. The overconsumption problem is about unnecessary diagnostic tests. When they're free for the patient, doctors insist that more data is always better, primarily because it covers the doctors ass in court. Tort reform would greatly reduce unnecessary testing. Additionally, insurance under Obamacare doesn't make stuff free, and consumers still have a reasonable financial motive for not buying unnecessary healthcare. Republican arguments otherwise are pure fear mongering.

[Barkingturtle]

Originally Posted by DrKvothe [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Republican arguments .... are pure fear mongering.

A succinct summation of the past fifty years.

[p99soundsok]

Originally Posted by Langrisserx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

bottom line? unlimited MENTAL healthcare ...

any more bright ideas republicans? mental health = mass shootings.

you dont want gun control you dont want healthcare ... what do you want... a big COCK

Keep buying into the two-party system (assuming it actually represents two different approaches to government) and boasting about the few crumbs being thrown at you by these elitist insurance mega monopolies that are riding the gravy train now. You are part of the massive flock of sheep in America.

[MrSparkle001]

To put it simply, health care costs way too much. It's not something that can easily be fixed.

In August I got a small but deep cut on my finger, deep enough that I thought it might need a stitch. It was late on a Saturday so the emergency room was my only choice. I put pressure on the cut so the bleeding stopped, washed it gently under the faucet, put some Neosporin and a bandaid on it and headed out.

The doctor removed the bandaid, said it didn't need a stitch, quickly cleaned off the Neosporin with some antiseptic liquid, put bacitracin on it and wrapped it in gauze.

Cost? About $1,200 for the emergency room and $400 for the doctor. Now think about what they did to charge that much: they replaced my Neosporin and bandaid with bacitracin and gauze. Fucking crooks. I was so pissed when I got the bill before leaving that we settled on $125 total, and I think even that was too much.

$1,600 to replace my bandaid? What the fuck?! They did what I did at home for free. I just went because I thought maybe it would need a stitch - a single stitch, it was a small cut. I'm definitely in the wrong business if people can get away with ridiculous charges like that. I'll do it for half price! What a bargain right? I'll give people bandaids for half price and I'll even use brand name antibiotic ointments! $800 per patient, I'll make a fortune.

[MrSparkle001]

Oh, and about two weeks later I got a bill in the mail for almost $400 for testing or for use of some emergency room device, I don't remember exactly what it was because it used some coded jargon instead of spelling out plainly what it was for. I'm not responsible for it since I'm paid in full but holy shit they were just tacking fees on like mad, and I didn't even have tests or use anything other than the table I sat on and the pen I used to fill out the paperwork.