So how are ya'll liking Obamacare these days?

[Orruar]

Originally Posted by Lune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Healthcare, in every other developed country but our own.

The scientific development of nuclear weapons and nuclear energy.

Transit to the moon.

CERN.

A system of public freeways spanning our continent.

Hoover dam.

National and global weather forecasting apparatus.

US Geological Survey.

National parks.

China's One Child Policy, which despite some negative collateral effects, helped alleviate uncontrollable overpopulation in an already overpopulated region, contributing to the prevention of 200-400 million births.

Chinese currency/economic manipulation that is systematically destroying the unprotected American middle class.

But then, most countries don't have a centuries-long streak of an obstructionist, dumbfuck, anti-gov GOP undermining the efficacy of the government.

Also, taken a whole, it should be noted that the US-related things you listed account for maybe 1/10th of 1% of the government. So it's good you were able to find that small slice of things that aren't completely destroyed by the touch of Uncle Sam.

[Ahldagor]

lune once again comes in with facts and not hypotheticals. /salute

Originally Posted by moklianne [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Now, what many companies are doing is using this as an opportunity to push you off onto the exchanges, since the cost savings to the company would be immense. Companies may publicly say they hate the ACA, but behind closed doors, they love it.

precisely. the theater gets good ratings when it works, but the bullshit that it has been lately isn't helping the sales.

[Lune]

Originally Posted by Orruar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

And the second one is just plain stupid. Do you really believe what you just said? China is preparing to allow its currency to appreciate, in preparation for delinking from the USD entirely. If your theory is true, we should see fantastic times ahead for the American middle class. Instead, this is the beginning of the end.

That's exactly what I mean. China is out-governing us in terms of economic and fiscal policy. Government provides guidance in contrast to free market chaos, where people will seek to plunder the system at the cost of everyone else. Our middle class will continue to be destroyed as a result.

Originally Posted by Orruar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Also, taken a whole, it should be noted that the US-related things you listed account for maybe 1/10th of 1% of the government. So it's good you were able to find that small slice of things that aren't completely destroyed by the touch of Uncle Sam.

I was specific, you should do the same. What is it you think Uncle Sam is systematically destroying?

Originally Posted by Orruar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Of course, what could we have done with that $25B of 1960's dollars instead of send people to the moon? How about an extra 50 years worth of cancer research. The government is great at showing you what it has done, but it's impossible to show what could have been if not for their theft of our money.

I agree. But the fact that our government spends its money isn't an example of why governments aren't legitimate, only that ours is/was not optimally run. There was still heaps of public sector cancer research during that time. Also lots of corruption, pork barrel defense spending, and crony capitalism.

And guess what? All this shit works elsewhere, particularly western and northern Europe. You never addressed that.

[runlvlzero]

Do you think Obamacare will pay for HRT, I haven't tried as a "homeless vet yet" either.

Seems 2 expensive IMO still. For any meaningful quality of life improving medication/treatments.

[Barkingturtle]

Originally Posted by runlvlzero [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Do you think Obamacare will pay for HRT,

Hemorrhoid Reduction Techniques?

Honestly, if he's the right one he'll understand.

[Daldolma]

if you view china's one child policy as a governmental success, you will never be satisfied with american government. that policy is the antithesis of every ideal american government is founded upon.

also serious lol @ bashing american government at the expense of foreign governments like china, germany, etc.

we're less than 75 years removed from the chinese government murdering ~30 million of its own citizens, the german/austrian government murdering 12 million civilians plus another 5 million of its own soldiers in expansionary wars, the soviet government murdering 20 million of its own citizens, the french being literally conquered, the italian government being a) turned into a fascist police state and then b) being controlled by organized crime, and the greeks going bankrupt.

who's left? the UK? spain? a bunch of micro-nations with the population of north carolina?

[runlvlzero]

The UK will be glad to send troops in and dictate our policies which will lead to the killing of over 1 billion americans... oh wait we don't even have 1 billion to lose.

Our nation will become the playground of countries will billion + populations as soon as the economy reaches France levels of stupid.

[Lune]

Originally Posted by Daldolma [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

if you view china's one child policy as a governmental success, you will never be satisfied with american government. that policy is the antithesis of every ideal american government is founded upon.

also serious lol @ bashing american government at the expense of foreign governments like china, germany, etc.

we're less than 75 years removed from the chinese government murdering ~30 million of its own citizens, the german/austrian government murdering 12 million civilians plus another 5 million of its own soldiers in expansionary wars, the soviet government murdering 20 million of its own citizens, the french being literally conquered, the italian government being a) turned into a fascist police state and then b) being controlled by organized crime, and the greeks going bankrupt.

who's left? the UK? spain? a bunch of micro-nations with the population of north carolina?

You're going off topic. I'm not condoning their past crimes, I'm citing examples from current circumstances.

We systematically murdered the Native American population, outright stole land from Mexico, and killed hundreds of thousands of our own countrymen in a civil war. Do we not count either then?

[Barkingturtle]

Originally Posted by Lune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

We systematically murdered the Native American population, outright stole land from Mexico, and killed hundreds of thousands of our own countrymen in a civil war. Do we not count either then?

More recently, we allowed Walmart to flourish.

We've long been a nation below reproach.

[Sidelle]

Originally Posted by Lune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You're going off topic. I'm not condoning their past crimes, I'm citing examples from current circumstances.

We systematically murdered the Native American population, outright stole land from Mexico, and killed hundreds of thousands of our own countrymen in a civil war. Do we not count either then?

Pox blankets make great Christmas gifts! (Lol, a little Native humor...)