Remove MQing from Epics - Page 8

Ele · #71 11-22-2013, 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Lojik [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I was going to ask whether MQ's can still be done on live. The fact that MQ's still exist on live makes me think they should not be eliminated here. Also, what is the main reason people want to get rid of MQ's, because low levels shouldn't have epics? Does that mean we should make all Fungi/Tstaff/CoF/<insert other uber item here> non-usable by low levels or no drop as well? Where do we draw the line?

I personally think that threads like these are only addressing symptoms of a non-classic experience, which may or may not lead to unintended consequences. The real causes of any non-classic experiences on this server are A) our pre-existing knowledge and experiences from live and B) the intervals between expansions on this server (neither of which can be fixed.)

pasi · #72 11-22-2013, 01:27 PM

MQing still exists on live to this day and is absolutely intended as the above posts mentioned.

In terms of a minimum level for epics, I did a bit of research on this if you refer to the thread Nilbog linked. I had seen various non-deleveled lowbie epics on live during SoL era (some of which were my own doing).

For simplicity's sake, let's limit level restrictions to the only 4 epics that are being MQ'd to low levels here: monk, rogue, cleric, shaman.

We know for certain that the monk, cleric, and shaman epics were doable at any level in classic. Aside from old forum posts, there is also evidence of this on EQmac in the form of pictures of level 1s with epics.

Of these 3, the only epic that highlevel 'MQ farming' interferes with actual questers is the cleric epic. The shaman epic is circumvented almost entirely, and the monk epic mobs are on such a short respawn. While people do loot PoFear tears, they require a hefty amount of faction work, so they usually just rot.

Now, Ragefire is a bottleneck for those looking to actually complete the epic. However, even if we were to remove the ability to MQ, RF/Ixi would still be farmed due to how lucrative CoF/pouches/scales are as well as the ease of farming. Additionally, the armor drops have excellent stats (legs), useful clicks, and great looks.

Of these 3, none are particularly game breaking at low levels either. They are not the problem. Even 9/16 fists won't outdamage a T-staff/RFS/IFS/PB until damage bonus ramps up.

Rogue is really the only question mark here. It is the cheapest, the most gamebreaking, and the epic with the least amount of evidence supporting being doable at level 1. You'll find evidence saying both yes and no despite there only being one correct answer. (much like if people look at this thread 10 years from now).

There was a level minimum put on all epics some time after PoP launch. The BST epic was originally doable at level 1 and remained the case through PoP (refer to bug thread). The question is whether or not a minimum level on quests even existed in Kunark. Furthermore, why would only the rogue epic have this minimum level? Even further, why would epic quests released 2 expansions down the line not have this requirement (and remain so for more than a year)?

The signs point to all epics until Zerkers having no minimum required level.

Infuriati · #73 11-22-2013, 02:42 PM

Mad? Over a game that clearly matters, or mattered even back then right? 2 things I couldn't live with, being french, and a ginger. Both you guys seem fucked in that department [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Conky · #74 11-22-2013, 04:48 PM

MQs were all over live for epics I seen tons of shaman buying MQs for tears and monks for pipes ect, why do people have issues with a low level having an epic, they spent the time farming plat to buy it with their main and you can do the same if you choose. Why stop at epics why not nerf fungi tunics and make them level 50+, hell why stop at that, lets put a min level in dungeons so low levels cant go in and get mask in guk, jarsath in KC ect.

Lets just change the whole game cause a few people are butt hurt because someone spent time farming so they could have fun on an alt, lets put min level on everything and call the server "level required". MQs were classic and so was twinking and Im sick of people trying to change whats suppose to be a classic server into something they want, read the sig and have a good day.

**Aeolwind** · #75 11-23-2013, 11:27 AM

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i see shammies do it all the time (help raid for tears)

it is classic to allow rot drops to goto PUG. i mean, i know p99 is way more hardcore than my live blue server but still. the problem is you already created a market for these things. so ya people will still want to get paid for loot rights sometimes.

I agree. The problem is the fact they can be MQ'd, it is the people involved. On EMarr it was player policed. People got kicked out of guilds for cock blocking people off of farming epics. We always gave away leftovers, even going so far to type /who all whatever to find some random person to give it too.

**Aeolwind** · #76 11-23-2013, 11:28 AM

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I agree. The problem isn't the fact they can be MQ'd, it is the people involved. On EMarr it was player policed. People got kicked out of guilds for cock blocking people off of farming epics. We always gave away leftovers, even going so far to type /who all whatever to find some random person to give it too.

Damnit, fixed.

nuglord · #77 11-24-2013, 03:36 AM

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Fixt.

The greedy lock-downers will find a way to continue to make pp off those incapable of completing these raids on their own.

Without epic mob rotation, you're going to join TMO or farm your pp either way. Rotation is the fix, not breaking MQ.

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patchday · #78 11-24-2013, 07:45 AM

shits classic

runlvlzero · #79 11-24-2013, 10:31 AM

I think epics should be removed from the game. It's too ez with them to farm more. Remove epics, and people wouldn't be able to RMT them.

SamwiseRed · #80 12-06-2013, 10:22 PM

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the LORD has spoken. remove MQing from epics. not in the spirit of CLASSIC EVERQUEST.