So how are ya'll liking Obamacare these days?

[myriverse]

Originally Posted by Recycled Children [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No. Unless long lines and poor quality means demonstrably superior to you.

America's system is worse quality.

Originally Posted by Recycled Children [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You're assuming I think the American healthcare system is ideal, it's not. It does need reform, massive reform but not from government. Government needs to deregulate healthcare to make it much more affordable. Socializing healthcare is a bad idea. Do you really want government dictating how you receive healthcare?

We've been trying to get reform for decades. No one is truly interested but the government. And yes, I'd rather the government than the anti-freedom corporate state.

[myriverse]

There is a reason why the world is increasingly becoming divided into The Socialize Medicine countries and the dirt poor countries. Privatized medicine is an utter failure of a system.

[Tanthallas]

Originally Posted by Recycled Children [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Socializing healthcare is a bad idea. Do you really want government dictating how you receive healthcare?

Lets go back to the phenomenal healthcare system that Great Britain enjoyed in the nineteenth century.

While we are at it, lets get government out of labor laws as well - those 7 year old kids in Great Britain that worked 20 hours a day and slept in corners of their factories for months on end had alot of character that is definitely lacking in their age group today.

[Barkingturtle]

The American healthcare system actually is ideal if you're an insurance executive or a pharmaceutical company.

And yes, I'd rather have government by the People and for the People in charge. It beats having our health dictated by the Greedy and for the Dollar.

The ACA's failing is that it is too great a compromise. It is a far fucking cry from socialized medicine, which implicates a single-payer system. That is what we should be moving toward if we are serious about reducing costs -- a system where the government is empowered to negotiate on behalf of the people, rather than a system where insurance companies collude with providers to fleece us.

[Skywarp]

If Sid Vicious was able to get on that affordable healthcare she could get that chin fixed. Could classify it as a disability.

[Itap]

Originally Posted by Bodeanicus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Do you really want insurance companies, the real "death panels," deciding on whether you live or die? You know, the people who are in it for profit? Are you really that fucking stupid? Must be. 'Murica.

I nominate you for the maddest person on these forums. I can see your mouth foaming furiously with every post you make.

[Splorf22]

Originally Posted by Barkingturtle [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

And yes, I'd rather have government by the People and for the People in charge.

This will never happen. Government bureaucrats are always out for themselves. For, example . . . the Obamacare website (the one that doesn't work at all) was done by one of Michelle's friends from Princeton. It was a no-bid contract. Her friend lives in Canada. Is this what you want more of?

Originally Posted by myriverse

There is a reason why the world is increasingly becoming divided into The Socialize Medicine countries and the dirt poor countries. Privatized medicine is an utter failure of a system.

The American healthcare system may not be a socialized one, but it's certainly not a free market one either. Aside from Medicare and Medicaid, because health plans are not taxed as income, everyone relies on them rather than directly purchasing services from their doctor (true insurance would only cover very large costs like heart surgery or whatnot). The health plans are highly regulated and have successfully lobbied Washington for all sorts of perks. In other words, we have crony capitalism.

Also, in my opinion healthcare outcomes = lifestyle + medical care. And Americans have simply the most unhealthy lifestyle in the world. You can't eat twinkies your entire life and expect the doctors to save you.

Anyway I do not like the American healthcare system at all. I think it's run by drug companies who are only interested in a steady stream of income, not actually curing people. Maybe you heard about the Tampa Bay kicker who had MRSA? Well the drug companies have basically stopped developing antibiotics, because it doesn't pay to actually fix people. It turns out all those mammograms and early breast cancer surgery we push on women actually hurt. The FDA is a pile of shit.

But what makes me want to fucking stab a pencil in my eye is the government going in to a field, whether its banking or medicine or whatever, fucking it up, and then using its new problems to justify more government intervention.

[Tanthallas]

Originally Posted by Splorf22 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

But what makes me want to fucking stab a pencil in my eye is the government going in to a field, whether its banking or medicine or whatever, fucking it up, and then using its new problems to justify more government intervention.

I think we all agree that the people who have the least freedom at the moment are the bankers. Right guys?

[Daldolma]

if there's one thing we've learned from history it's that government is a benevolent and effective overseer that consistently shields the poor and helpless from inequities of the social power structure*


*no

[Orruar]

Originally Posted by myriverse [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

There is a reason why the world is increasingly becoming divided into The Socialize Medicine countries and the dirt poor countries. Privatized medicine is an utter failure of a system.

So you think what we had up until Obamacare was a free market in health care? How cute.