To Sirken/Staff - serious discussion

[heartbrand]

To be honest, the fun of this game is progressing. If I was to be killing Vulak day 1, it would feel sort of "cheap" to me. I look forward to progressing through dwarf armor and then SS armor, and doing "lesser" tier targets as we work our way on up. That doesn't mean we wouldn't contest or go for other targets if capable, just means that the fun of the game is progressing. I feel bad for the newer Nilly who didn't get to experience Hoshkar with 25 people.

[Rellapse35]

Nilly not gonna kill Vulak day 1 prob not even in the first 3 months of Velious.

Raid mobs do not have 32khp in Velious fights lasts 30 mins lots of variables goes into play on a red server in that amount of time. Better recruit you a ton of necros or double your clerics.... 3k mana pool does not last long.

[HippoNipple]

HB you sound like you are on to something with the new guild. Glad to see it. It will also be nice having members that have progressed and done some raids the legit way. Sure beats having a team of raiders that have never killed a raid target that required more than 1 cast.

[Retti_]

Originally Posted by heartbrand [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Plus when they're in sleepers they can't be bothered to suddenly port out if another guild is going for dain or tormax or dozekar or west wing or whatever. Even if you were to raid like 12 hours a day in velious you would be hard pressed to kill every single mob. Velious is going to be good for other guilds, variance will kill the ability of the less hardcore guilds to plan ahead of time for raids. Without variance I can tell my guys, "ok raid at 8pm est" with variance who knows and I have to pray enough people log on to the call of a bat phone and beat out the other guild to the mob.

Tl;dr if ur guild sucks ass at mobilizing variance will only make worse your issue

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[karsten]

Originally Posted by heartbrand [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Plus when they're in sleepers they can't be bothered to suddenly port out if another guild is going for dain or tormax or dozekar or west wing or whatever. Even if you were to raid like 12 hours a day in velious you would be hard pressed to kill every single mob. Velious is going to be good for other guilds, variance will kill the ability of the less hardcore guilds to plan ahead of time for raids. Without variance I can tell my guys, "ok raid at 8pm est" with variance who knows and I have to pray enough people log on to the call of a bat phone and beat out the other guild to the mob.

Tl;dr if ur guild sucks ass at mobilizing variance will only make worse your issue

say what you want about our pal HB but he's spot on here

[Dacuk]

Originally Posted by HippoNipple [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Sure beats having a team of raiders that have never killed a raid target that required more than 1 cast.

[Bazia]

i remember when kunark was going to fix everything

cut to 150 people spread across a million zones

[Kergan]

Originally Posted by heartbrand [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It's too early to tell what guild compositions will look like day 1 of Velious. My goal is to build a guild capable of raiding in theory any target. Will we be able to go kill Tormax or Yelinak or Vulak day 1? Maybe. Maybe not. I'm not worried about Nihilum and if they're looting primals while we're killing a "lower" tier target. I'm worried about having fun and keeping people engaged and enjoying logging in. If we have a slower progression to get to the point that we also are looting Primal weps, that doesn't bother me one bit. I don't play to be the "first" person to do something, as long as I can see a tangible vision or goal that will eventually get me to that point. Up to this point, there really has been only Nihilum with that vision, my goal is to provide a second guild with that vision. Whether it takes one month or six months or a year into velious to fully realize it, is immaterial to me, as long as we are progressing towards it, and having fun. HB OUT.

I completely agree with your philosophy. The important thing is that Velious can support multiple raiding guilds and it is going to be near impossible even for Nihilum to monopolize all content worth raiding. The top guild will focus on the top loot as always, but there is plenty of room for another guild or two to take down quality raid targets. Add in the faction piece of Velious and it is going to be difficult for Nihilum to lock down both sides initially.

I hope you succeed HB, I really do. I think secretly (or maybe even not secretly) Nihilum hopes you do to. Maybe not you personally, but the thought of some competition has to be compelling.

[Bazia]

more zones for tiny pop

[Bazia]

also lol @ 8 nihilum coming to sol b and killing/chasing out a small group of level 40s