Forced Rotation Isn't Classic

[Hasbinbad]

Originally Posted by Allizia [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This BS is why we don't get along ~

You know something Allizia, I was actually beginning to not gag at the sound of your name again until you drag out an argument that has been dead for a week to flame my friend.

I totally disagree about why we don't get along. I think it has much more to do with your tattle-tale style and your butthurt minions. Are you fucking kidding me? You're the Kool-Aid Krew. You guys whined and lied and sniveled and bitched at us for weeks and weeks until you made the GM's come play daddy to shut it down.

Please do not confuse my respectful and polite tone for familiarity or good-will. I seriously hope you guys poke electrical outlets with forks in your spare time. That being said, we don't need to resort to that kind of attitude at all times. When a compromise needs to be reached, we can sit down and talk about it like adults, but don't you ever think that you can quantify the reasons for why we don't get along with some out-of-context post Zexa made 2 damn weeks ago. I for one will never see you in a friendly light, 2-faced Allizia, so you can knock that "get along" shit right the fuck off.

Originally Posted by Allizia [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Are you serious? We have whiped ONE time to Vox, and that was an unintentional pull.

Boldfaced lie.

Originally Posted by Allizia [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Unless you are referring to the 4 hours of nonstop DDoS where we whiped because the server crashed as we pulled her?

This is one of the wipes mentioned. The DDOS happened, and it sucked, but it wasn't exactly game-breaking. We felt it with you, so don't even fucking try to say that the DDOS made it impossible. You wiped and you wiped (bad prep, bad pulls, ddos lag, whatever), until someone in your group realized that Vox's AE was bugged out, so you decided to kill her with what was LEFT of your raid force after most of the people left due to lag/failure. Lest there be any doubt as to your intentions, let me remind everyone that you attempted and killed Vox with 14 people. I'm sorry, but at the time - given the gear and levels involved - there is no way that you could have even imagined that would be legit.

Originally Posted by Allizia [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

We just killed Vox with ONE death (the puller) and we have killed Naggy flawlessly with LESS people then IB uses.

Yes, now that you have whined your way in to a rotation, and now that the zerg army of 20's you started with is 40+, your shitty guild FINALLY has enough numbers and gear to kill Vox. Great job!

Originally Posted by Allizia [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You guys amaze me, seriously. Go 10 man Efreeti some more, let me know when you are done so I can duo/solo it.

Don't pretend like we can't Allizia, you may have been the first 50 chanter, but PLEASE don't pretend to have more skill than our heavy hitters. You will be laughed at a lot.

Originally Posted by Allizia [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

How about I laugh at IB for whiping to CT (the easiest boss in classic), when we one shot him first try.

Go ahead, we don't mind. If we wipe, that is lame of us. What's your point? Correlating an honest wipe to a raid boss with your long, illustrious, action packed history of shady behavior is only going to confuse the weak and ill-informed. People who have any decent amount of common sense or actually know better see the Kool-Aid Krew for what it is now, what it was when it started, and what it will turn into.

[Bigcountry23]

Originally Posted by Zithax [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Everything in this quote is a flat-out lie, just to clarify.
3) IB has never wiped to CT, meanwhile Trans will charm a scareling (lol) engage draco, wipe, and cause draco to poof.

Originally Posted by Hasbinbad [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Correlating an honest wipe to a raid boss with your long, illustrious, action packed history of shady behavior is only going to confuse the weak and ill-informed.

Not to sound weak and ill-informed but did or didn't IB wipe to CT (Honest or otherwise)?

Sorry, my copy of the national inquirer didn't show up today and I need gossip.

[Hasbinbad]

Originally Posted by Allizia [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Want to buy some GEB's or Djarn ring?

I heard you guys were looking to buy some phinny loot. Need some help?

Roffle.

[Allizia]

Originally Posted by Zithax [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Everything in this quote is a flat-out lie, just to clarify.

1) Trans' first 2 Vox kills were without her AE. And this factors into the discussion how? Oh, I remember,we found a way to break the script with our l33t hax skills and it was all our fault. Even though GM's/Dev's have stated on several occasions that it was an issue with the script and could happen to either of us.
1b) IB has never fought any boss that did not have their AE. See above, grats? What are we supposed to do about it? Repop her and we will kill her again.
2)We can 3man efreeti with a paladin healer and two melee's, so jumping to that conclusion makes you cool. GG? We have 3 manned FG's and have at least 3 members that regularly solo efreeti. This was just a plug for the old days of IB raiding efreeti.
3) IB has never wiped to CT, meanwhile Trans will charm a scareling (lol) engage draco, wipe, and cause draco to poof. I've heard from several sources in IB that this is untrue, although it was an "unintentional pull" The Dracho part is absolutely true, which is a first. Use this one more, we had 15 people on.
4) Trans has never done any raid target with less people than IB, this is purely untrue sir. CT with 19, Phinny with 5 (necro to pull horses, cleric to heal, chanter for clarity, 2 mages), Vox with 14 (You are correct, she didn't AoE though. After 4 hours of DDoS we dwindled from 30 peeps to 14) Flawless Naggy with what, 18? The point is, We have similar numbers, so calling us zerg is ridiculous. I've seen IB with 25-30ish on a raid regularly

I don't have anything against you now, nor against any other Trans member, but posting this nonsense really devalues your intelligence and integrity in my mind. I for one do not appreciate the spread of disinformation, especially when it was an attempt to smear myself or my guild.

Check yourself before you wreck yourself, kid. My thoughts exactly, I'm responding to your BS attacks, not the other way around.

Grats

[Hasbinbad]

Originally Posted by Bigcountry23 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Not to sound weak and ill-informed but did or didn't IB wipe to CT (Honest or otherwise)?

It doesn't matter, that's the point.

IF IB wipes to a mob, it's coz we fucked up. Someone did something stupid and we lost momentum. WHEN trans wipes to mobs on a consistent basis, it's because they lack the skill to wrangle a zerg force properly to get the mob down.

WHEN IB kills a mob for loot, it's because we executed a plan and followed the rules. IF trans ever manages to finally smother a mob under sheer weight of numbers, it's usually (so far the vast majority) because they have somehow managed to encounter mobs without legitimately clearing the entire encounter or with bugged scripts that are MUCH easier to kill than they should be.

The exact details of IB's raid history is IB's business. What you need to know is that we play by the rules while trans likes to exploit or complete bugged out encounters.

[Bigcountry23]

I guess I don't get the raiding stratergy of "less is best". Personally, I would like a guild that had a larger population on raids (meaning more people are invited, better chance for survival and defete of the monster, meaning a better distribution of the loot to the members).

/shrug, I'm just gonna go back to lurking.

[Hasbinbad]

Big, taking down a raid boss with less numbers reflects on the skill of those people. It's not hard and fast, but generally speaking if you can accomplish the same task with less people, you have more skill. We're not really trying to boast here, but when Jimllizia Jones and the Kool-Aid Krew comes around saying they do what we do with less people than we do it, something needs to be said.

About "Zerg."
In my experience, the word "Zerg" does not just mean "a lot of people," it means "lots of unskilled, inexperienced, disposable people that you pile on top of a target and suffocate it with pure mass."

..a large raid may be skilled, and an inexperienced raid may be few in number. Neither of these are zergs, but a majority of Tranny raids have been.

[Hasbinbad]

Originally Posted by Allizia [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

We have similar numbers, so calling us zerg is ridiculous.

Hardly. Also, as I stated above, it is not just numbers that determine your zerginess.

Originally Posted by Allizia [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

My thoughts exactly, I'm responding to your BS attacks, not the other way around.

Excuse me, this was a dead and done-with discussion until you dragged out a 2-week old post that has nothing to do with current events. If you want to start drama, don't fucking flame someone who had something to say 2 weeks ago, just make a new post and call me names, I'll tango with you Jimmy.

[Allizia]

Originally Posted by Hasbinbad [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Big, taking down a raid boss with less numbers reflects on the skill of those people. It's not hard and fast, but generally speaking if you can accomplish the same task with less people, you have more skill. We're not really trying to boast here, but when Jimllizia Jones and the Kool-Aid Krew comes around saying they do what we do with less people than we do it, something needs to be said.

About "Zerg."
In my experience, the word "Zerg" does not just mean "a lot of people," it means "lots of unskilled, inexperienced, disposable people that you pile on top of a target and suffocate it with pure mass."

..a large raid may be skilled, and an inexperienced raid may be few in number. Neither of these are zergs, but a majority of Tranny raids have been.

So...Trans has flawless dragon kills, one shot CT, whiped at 30% to Draco with 15 people first try, whiped once to vox (not counting server crashes, with GM rezzes from an IB Dev who watched it), average raid size 20 people = zerg?

IB almost whipes to Naggy every kill (I see naked people all over the place everytime IB raids naggy ), whiped to CT, whiped once to Vox, Fails to break into PoF with 20 people, average raid size 20 people = not zerg?

I think I get it now. I agree, this is a 2 week old post that someone resurrected though. Yeck

[karsten]

last night i pulled nagafen when nobody was ready on purpose and i warned them in vent beforehand, but my mic had come unplugged so nobody actually heard me.

We won anyways AND i got to tank it myself after getting the warriors killed which was my plan all along.

I wouldn't have done that with you guise tho cuz if a guild takes over an hour to prep for nagafen after going through fgs, or seven hours to clear fear, it strikes me that the whole "thinking on one's feet and reacting correctly to change" thing isn't your strong point!

p.s. times IB has wiped to ct: 0