T99 and Item Loot Poll

[Fawqueue]

I have a better proposition if we insist on item loot in the name of science: Wipe Red and start it fresh at the exact same time as teams with RZ style item loot.

Two servers, two different rulesets, see which is truly more popular a year later and THEN merge. That's more scientific than taking the most exciting news for PvP in a long time (teams99) and destroying it's population before it's even started (item loot).

[Lowlife]

Originally Posted by Fawqueue [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I have a better proposition if we insist on item loot in the name of science: Wipe Red and start it fresh at the exact same time as teams with RZ style item loot.

Two servers, two different rulesets, see which is truly more popular a year later and THEN merge. That's more scientific than taking the most exciting news for PvP in a long time (teams99) and destroying it's population before it's even started (item loot).

your ideas are actually even worse than mine about no bards and shit.

[Rec]

food, water, and fishing related items

[Fawqueue]

Originally Posted by Lowlife [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

your ideas are actually even worse than mine about no bards and shit.

The difference is mine was a joke.

[Tikku82]

Originally Posted by Vexenu [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Item loot = literally half the server rolls Druids and Wizards and port around naked looking for easy ganks. The other half of the server zone plugs instantly when PvP that isn't overwhelmingly in their favor goes down. Server is more dead than Red within months.

To be blunt, "for science" is a stupid fucking attitude. I get that it's nilbog's box to play with, but that doesn't make it any less stupid. It's like if Wal-Mart ran a special where half the customers got their items for free and the other half got stabbed in the face by the cashier. Who the fuck is gonna shop there?

If nilbog wants a Teams server with item loot, that's his prerogative, but any type of item loot is going to turn away a ton of potential players right off the bat. The server would only reach a fraction of its potential. It seems very short-sighted to go to the trouble of making a new server only to cripple it with item loot, which is one of the most universally unpopular features in EQ. There is a reason that item loot debuted on RZ but was never implemented on the later PvP servers. It's just about the worst feature possible in a game that is all about acquiring gear.

Imagine if one of your items was randomly deleted each time you died in PvE? Would anyone clamor to play on that ruleset? Of course not. It would be fucking retarded.

And it's no less stupid to lose items in PvP. All it does is encourage extremely lame tactics and running away. Item loot turns a PvP server into a gank and run server.

Have to agree. While item loot may sound cool for some, the majority dislikes it. New server would never get high population and would soon be as or even more dead that cuurent Red. With coin loot only like SZ was it could be wonderful server. Item loot would kill it for the masses. DONT do it!

People will just avoid pvp at all costs. Thats the purpose of pvp server? No. More pvp action the better.

[Rec]

I didn't even notice what this poll even asks. I thought it was do we want item loot or not. Shouldn't we ask that first?

[Kazinsky]

Originally Posted by Vexenu [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The bottom line is that item loot basically takes EQ PvP and puts it on steroids. It's just way too hardcore for most players' tastes.

Pretty sure allowing people to wear fungis/CoS with no fear of losing them and all that fancy resist gear allows them to be "on steroids" more than "naked druids and wizards ganking people".

Originally Posted by Vexenu [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

A vocal minority will love it, but the majority want nothing to do with it. And this, more than any other reason, is why item loot is a bad idea: it's simply unpopular.

Really? I see 45 yes and 26 no. Seems like this thread supports item loot so far.

[Pudge]

Originally Posted by Kazinsky [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Really? I see 45 yes and 26 no. Seems like this thread supports item loot so far.

the whole point of making a teams server is to get those 26. Actually, there are prob. far less blues monitoring/voting in this poll than red.

I voted I'd play T99 even with item loot, but i know it's a bad idea. despite the awesome fun you'll have looting a couple items off ppl, you will find there are fewer and fewer ppl to kill as the time goes on. the pvp will be even shittier than it is now, with everyone plugging at 50%, or just straight up auto-running before the fight even begins, bagging their shit (depending on rules).

Item loot will have to be very dainty for it to work - i suggested stackable items only (food, water, rune, gems, skins/silks, etc.) most stackable items are not that big a deal to lose, but could be a great find every once in awhile, and at the very least you could nab some food or drink off a guy. this is the kind of stuff ppl need to be looting, not Tcrowns and fungis - that's just too griefy for most to endure. perhaps limiting lootable items to just jewelry (bagged or not) or even just worn jewelry, is also limited enough..

[Zihm]

You don't "experiment" by changing more than one variable at a time. If the server fails (or succeeds) you won't know if it is because of teams, item loot, or the novelty of a new server.

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[pharmakos]

^ thats a valid point