First to Engage: Exploiting the mechanic?

[khanable]

Originally Posted by Motec [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Gear makes no difference to any person on p1999 right now.

That's why I said maybe in Velious? [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Ain't no one tanking AoW in cobalt. And I think you agree [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Originally Posted by Motec [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Thats enough content for ONE GUILD. JUST ONE

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As ST and NtoV become viable (3 months for cleric mana and warrior HP) then 1 guild and maybe 3-4 targets for another.

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Variance, is holding all loot back from everyone not in the top 2 guilds

[Splorf22]

Originally Posted by justin2090 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This is a good idea but there are negatives to everything. What's stopping those guilds from not recruiting? Guild X gets 2-4 tokens a week and shuts down all recruitment. They keep 20 people and gear their mains and every alt. Sure you could say, "GM's shut their tokens's down cause their greedy" but then we're adding more work to our voluntary GM's.

Or they could form a new guild, and get their own tokens.

Originally Posted by justin2090

Some of the server wants a competitive raid scene and some just do not have the time in RL to be apart of it. Somewhere in between is where the solution is. Someone just has to find it.

The whole point of tokens is to make that split. The casuals can gradually progress through the content without batphoning and tracking, while the hardcore guilds still have their VS poopsocks and superior magelo profiles to look forward to.

[JayN]

Release velious problem solved!

All this crazy token shit is cray cray

[heazels]

Originally Posted by JayN [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Release velious problem solved!

All this crazy token shit is cray cray

This will not solve the overcrowded end game. Server Split or new server is the only answer.

[justin2090]

The token idea is good don't get me wrong. But having the GM's moderate the amount of tokens a guild gets based on raid size, shut them off if they get greedy, or giving every newly formed guild a set of tokens is asking to much. I mean me and 19 other ppl could make 19 different alts and form 20 different guilds witha set of tokens for each.

And thats just with 20 people doing it. 500 hundred people using alts to make guilds would be well 500 guilds. You would have to give tokens to 3-4 different guilds tops. Then if they get greedy and shut down recruiting?

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Also I dunno how many Donal Breastplates are on the server currently but lets just say its 200. Now if every guild could spawn him 4x a week would that not increase the amount of Donals on the server significantly? They would be so abundant and cheap. Hell even I would have a lvl 1 cleric witha Donals. So it's not just giving guilds raid targets. Tokens would have a severe impact on the economy.

Sure you could say make the loot no drop but then you could bring your alt in and loot awesome gear. Why would you shop in EC when you can be pimped with tokens? The only way tokens would work is if the dragons drop no loot at all and that just doesn't sound fun to me.

[JayN]

Originally Posted by Motec [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I beg to differ.

Crown of rile, ynuubs, cloak of sky, haste boots, robe of azure sky all huge still in velious. It isnt until vulak, dozekar/tormax/yelinak quest level, white dragon boots etc etc you are replacing those items.

CT items become better than ntov quality

Epics from VS still as good as ever, especially with amount of wizards wanted for ntov/KT barrier of force is invaluable to have on every wiz.

Trakanon is less useful of course though, I agree 100%.

But that doesnt say anything of the problem we have now and for the next 6 months.

only thing worth going back for would be pd but i doubt many will want to, also i doubt any other guild could do most velious content upon release....

Nothing wrong with being one expansion behind many guild are/were like that.

[arsenalpow]

Originally Posted by Elements [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

All I see above is a plea for pixels after some ass-hat behavior. Why would someone you train twice and leapfrog want to give up an engage on a mob you wiped to? You can also see how I am civil to you throughout your logs... Had it been just me, I probably would have just walked away but since I was with others I left the call up to them and I didn't really care at that point if we were taking a FFA mob that someone in your party had spawned.

If I'm just a mindless soldier why are you so broke up about me leaving?

Wasn't my logs, you were dead to me just like any other mindless drone that left to TMO to up their pixel count. You were so civil that you trained our initial engage and then left the decision to fuck with us to "others" (Nizzler) because you're a fucking drone.

This is what happens when you put pixels before people, you'll do whatever you are told and you'll maintain that clean conscience because it wasn't your call or because it wasn't you that did the fucked up stuff to ruin it for other guilds, it was your guildmate and maybe you don't agree with it and not all TMO are bad, and you just group with them and we're just mean and unfairly singling you out.

[Visual]

No one will dispute that Nizzler is at the root of all that is bad

[Tanthallas]

ruh roh

[Ravager]

Originally Posted by justin2090 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The token idea is good don't get me wrong. But having the GM's moderate the amount of tokens a guild gets based on raid size, shut them off if they get greedy, or giving every newly formed guild a set of tokens is asking to much. I mean me and 19 other ppl could make 19 different alts and form 20 different guilds witha set of tokens for each.

And thats just with 20 people doing it. 500 hundred people using alts to make guilds would be well 500 guilds. You would have to give tokens to 3-4 different guilds tops. Then if they get greedy and shut down recruiting?

EDIT:
Also I dunno how many Donal Breastplates are on the server currently but lets just say its 200. Now if every guild could spawn him 4x a week would that not increase the amount of Donals on the server significantly? They would be so abundant and cheap. Hell even I would have a lvl 1 cleric witha Donals. So it's not just giving guilds raid targets. Tokens would have a severe impact on the economy.

Sure you could say make the loot no drop but then you could bring your alt in and loot awesome gear. Why would you shop in EC when you can be pimped with tokens? The only way tokens would work is if the dragons drop no loot at all and that just doesn't sound fun to me.

The economy only matters to the EverCommonlanders or the people who block content to sell ranger epics for 1 million plat. It means nothing to people who actually play the game to acquire loot. More loot only hurts the exceptionally greedy.