jboots and other misleading quests.

[azeth]

verbatum hasten says "3250 gold" and any backup found on allakhazam that has been posted supporting the Platinum theory is not dated 1999.

move along.

[apollyon arali]

One other question about this quest on p1999

I remember when this quest was first created that you had to hand in the items one at a time because the quest was bugged.

Can someone confirm that this quest works when you give all the items to Boot Strutter at the same time?

[azeth]

this i can verify, we just finished jboots earlier last week. Hasten will not respond to quest prompts beyond "Hail, Hasten"

He accepted the AC ring, rapier, and gold all at once.

[Atern]

Unless you can find patch notes saying that it was changed on live to allow platinum instead of gold, you have to assume it always allowed platinum. Are you saying that there are posts on alla where people say they turned in platinum with the quest and hasten ate their items?

[apollyon arali]

So,

Hail him,

give him all three items at same time and bingo.

thanks Azeth

[guineapig]

I've never heard of a patch that changed the gold restriction to allow for platinum either.
Even the honey jum quest on this server allows platinum instead of gold.

[Reiker]

Originally Posted by azeth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

verbatum hasten says "3250 gold" and any backup found on allakhazam that has been posted supporting the Platinum theory is not dated 1999.

move along.

Nothing is dated 1999 on Allakhazam since Allakhazam wasn't around in 1999.

no u move along.

[azeth]

Originally Posted by Reiker [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Nothing is dated 1999 on Allakhazam since Allakhazam wasn't around in 1999.

thanks for making my point?

here's what just happened -

Azeth: No one knows what a T-rex would really look like, because they're not alive anymore.

Reiker: No kidding they're not alive anymore, they died out 65 million years ago.

[Messianic]

OK, after about 30-45 mins of reading, I'm ready to respond to this:

Originally Posted by Atern [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Unless you can find patch notes saying that it was changed on live to allow platinum instead of gold, you have to assume it always allowed platinum.

That makes absolutely no sense. Why should we assume that the way it is on live is the way it has always been? Not every change in the game is announced with a giant trumpet via patch notes.

Originally Posted by Atern [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Are you saying that there are posts on alla where people say they turned in platinum with the quest and hasten ate their items?

Many of the archived comments from 2001/2000 say so, quite affirmatively.

http://web.archive.org/web/200106170...st=28&start=50 "I assure you, if you hand him a Ring, a Rapier, and 325 plat, he will keep it all and you will get nothing."
http://www.eqclerics.org/forums/arch...hp/t-6972.html "-You must pay him 3250 GP, not 325 PP."
http://www.guildportal.com/Guild.asp...7&QuestID=9686 "Finally, the 3,250 GP can be found in your bank account. Hehe! You must use gold pieces since the quest will not work with platinum pieces."

To be equitable, I haven't been able to find a "smoking gun," where someone in Allakhazam's, etc showed that they turned in pp and the quest failed. However:

Judging by the comments from 2004 on current allakahazam's websites and the ones on the web archives of allakhazam's, i'd bet it was changed sometime around 2003-2004 to allow pp. Given the whole set of comments i've been able to find, i'd turn it around and say the burden of proof lays on you. Prove to us that as long as the quest was in EQ, pp was acceptable - prove that all those people who claimed it had to be 3250 gp were simply believing a myth, and NO ONE tried 325 pp out of curiosity and posted that it worked with 325 pp - because before 2003, I can't find someone posting that pp worked.

So, show me someone saying on a forum or elsewhere during the classic period (1999-2001ish) that pp works just as well as gp. Because I can't find one.

However, because I don't have a smoking gun, you can shakily argue that "it was just a myth everyone believed, so no one found out that you could use 325 pp," and you could argue that's the only reason so many people believe this. I think as many people played EQ during that time, someone would have figured it out.


I'm simply not willing to spend anymore time on it - you can if you like. I'm satisfied that uber-gamers I knew in the top tier guilds on the largest servers emphatically asserted it was gp only, and attempting to use 325pp instead would have been chump change to them...

[Dersk]

Originally Posted by Messianic [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So, show me someone saying on a forum or elsewhere during the classic period (1999-2001ish) that pp works just as well as gp. Because I can't find one.

Allakhazam March 1, 2001 Webarchive
Posted @ Tue, May 22nd 7:39 PM Score: Excellent[5.00]
...all forms of money are treated the same for quests, so 325 platinum works too.

In response to someone typing '3250p':

Allakhazam March 1, 2001 Webarchive
Posted @ Fri, May 18th 1:19 PM Score: Default[2.00]
Note that 3250p is incorrect. It is 325pp for the Jboots

You may have read in the numerous threads, including this one, that this isn't the only quest to allow platinum instead of gold.

For example, from the same webarchive, Fire Opals:

currency for fire opals Reply... By: Tork@Nameless
Posted @ Wed, Mar 1st 11:00 AM 2000 Score: Decent[3.12]
Genni says she was wants 550 gold for each fire opal and she's very specific about it, reminding you twice -- but 55 plat works fine.

<-- That's actually a 2000 post, but Allakhazam didn't post years on all their original forum posts. The current forums shows that post as well here.

Lodizal Shield:

10k GP = 1k pp By: GaelStormracer, Scholar
36 posts
Posted @ Tue, Jan 30th 11:14 AM Score: Default[1.66]
ALL Quest-givers will accept PP instead of GP, even when they state that it "must be gold" (as in Genni, who "sells" Fire Opals in the temple of Solusek Ro), and Hasten Bootstrutter. 1kpp is only 25 weight.

Gael Stormracer, Soldier of Tunare of the 50th Summer - Berll Serillis <Cookery and Spirits>

RE: Suggestions on completing quest By: Anonymous
Posted @ Fri, Mar 9th 11:06 AM Score: Default[2.33]
Why not just use 1000 plat. instead? Any quest in the game that requires "gold" can be converted to plat. and turned in. 325pp works for the jboots quest, for example. The game doesn't distinguish between coins, just the total amount. Hope this helps...

I'll also repeat a post in this forum:

Originally Posted by guineapig [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Even the honey jum quest on this server allows platinum instead of gold.

There are obviously claims for platinum working and not working, so who do we believe? The people claiming that platinum was refused never showed that they completed the quest by immediately turning in gold, so we are left with several explanations:

a) The NPC did not accept platinum
b) The player had inadequate faction
c) The player had incorrect/insufficient items turned in with that money
d) The player turned the items in to the wrong NPC (such as a pet)
e) The player is lying or somehow mistaken and did not notice the reward (fell to ground, etc)

The claims stating platinum was accepted only have the following explanations:

f) Platinum did in fact work
g) People saying platinum worked are lying or somehow mistaken that they received their reward

The desire for a patch note would put the entire issue to rest as it would explicitly state the use of gold and/or platinum for quests. Without that, we are left to assume the NPCs changed as some random date that cannot be verified, plat always worked, or that the entire issue with platinum working for quests is a conspiracy.

If we can agree with the claims of platinum working, then requiring proof that a quest operated a certain way in 1999 when it's reasonably clear that the quest operated in that fashion from 2001~2010 is rather asinine.